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ahwt Posts: 2335 |
posted 01-31-2008 10:35 AM
  
      Above is an interesting bright cut pair of sugar tongs with acorn ends, a nice monogram and a flower with a trailing vine. One leg has the first mark above while the second leg has the second mark above. The third partially struck mark is on the inside of the bend. These tongs did not get much use as the nibs on the end of the acorns are still intact. Belden also shows the h mark associated with John Burger and with the last letter of the partially struck mark looking like an "r" perhaps these tongs were made by Mr. Burger's shop. They most likely date from 1801-02 as that is when Singleton and Young were working. Is the mark "PAR" known to anyone? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-31-2008 11:01 AM
The PAR looks like an overstrike on something else - the little bit of the first letter poking out does not match rhe P or an upside down R. The N York punch is the one used by Burger. The degree of wear is much greater than that on the other marks - maybe the tongs were reworked for remarking, or else that punch was applied after the bend was made, hence being deeper at the ends. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 01-31-2008).] IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-31-2008 11:02 AM
I have not seen the PAR mark before but it almosts looks to be an overstrike on another mark. This must be a popular pattern as I have two tongs with nearly identical engraved decoration. As for the 'h' I have heard the same thing. Quite possibly the mark of a journeyman silversmith working for Burger. I admit to being very partial to engraved decoration and would rather see a good monogram than just a blank area. Nice tongs. IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 01-31-2008 01:04 PM
As my wife collects only English tongs please excuse the question, but what date go you put on these tongs ? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-31-2008 01:54 PM
Singleton & Young were working working c 1800 in NYC. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2335 |
posted 01-31-2008 05:54 PM
Clive, I wonder if your wife knows when the bright cut design first appeared on tongs (or spoons for that matter) in England. Thanks, Art IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 01-31-2008 06:12 PM
A recent book by Graham Hodges on English (inc Irish and Scots ) Silver Sugar Tongs (Georgian silver sugar tongs) suggests that the bright cut pairs started around 1770, and reached their peak between 1780 and 1810. Personally I have a gut feeling that 1770 is perhaps a little too early, although one piece tongs had appeared probably by about then ( You can differentiate most "U" shape tongs into cast ones- made in three pieces- and rolled ones -made in one piece) IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2335 |
posted 10-26-2022 05:06 PM
I noticed in Catherine Hollan's book on Eagle Marks on American Silver that John Burger of New York City was most likely the maker of these tongs and Singleton & Young were most likely the retailers.  IP: Logged |
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