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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 05-09-2008 01:03 PM
  
 I bought this spoon because of the size of the engraving plus on the zigzag there is some incomplete removal of silver. Minor but interesting to me. The first photo shows some bumps on the engraving that is most likely the incomplete removal of silver by the graver. The spoon is 5 3/8 inches long. The fine lines of the engraving are hard to see without a magnifying glass. The mark is V&C, the C looks like a G. It is VanVoorhis&Coley 1785 to 1787, although they did work together for a longer time period it was as a broader partnership with others. IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-09-2008 07:29 PM
I could not find the maker in Ensko, Graham, or Currier, so I am guessing that it is 1790 ish. I have always wondered how engravers and miniaturists before good eyewear did it? I know that good miniaturists were young but the time it would take to become proficient in engraving might mean that your eyes were going a bit. They did have contraptions like water filled glass globes to magnify, but to use that in front of your hands when engraving seems awkward. All this to say my guess is that either he/she was young and made mistakes or old and could not see well? Really to engrave on that scale (and I assume the original spoon had 11 partners) and quantity means that it is production and perfection might be sacrificed for speed. It is a lovely spoon and the bright cut is well done, as is the smallest wiggle work ever! I would not mind having it in the shoe box. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 05-10-2008 12:55 AM
Yes, beautiful spoon! Re: close work before good eyewear, there are kinds of bad vision that actually make it easier to see close up. I have one very nearsighted eye, which I think of as my built-in loupe. If I take off my glasses and hold something close to my right eye, I can see all sorts of practically invisible details--and I'm old enough to wear bifocals. My dad was the same way up until his cataract operation. We're both blind as bats without our glasses, unless you happen to be standing about three inches away from the right eye. (With Dad it might have been his left--I don't remember.) IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 05-10-2008 12:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that's Van Voorhees and Coley, listed in Darling as NYC, advertising 1 Sept 1785, 1786-7. Partnership of Daniel Van Voorhees and William Coley. The mark shown in Darling is dark, and in my copy hard to read, but the ampersand appears to match, and the general form, and your example to me looks more like a damaged die than a G in the final character. edit: oops, I see now you already have the V&C - missed it the first pass through. The monogram is also interesting - is that an AE ligature? [This message has been edited by FWG (edited 05-10-2008).] IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 05-10-2008 01:12 PM
It is V&C, The die was either damaged or it is getting old or the person doing the cutting goofed. IP: Logged |
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