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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2008 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love whirls and arbors are mentioned in regard to John Avery as tools listed in his inventory. Anyone care to weigh in on the purpose of such "implements?"

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2008 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which John Avery? -- there were at least three, a clock/watchmaker and two silversmiths.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2008 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An arbor is a shaft to which is affixed polishing wheels etc or any wheel for any use. Usually they have stationary blocks to set them into one place on a workbench. I do not know about back then but today they use bearings to turn in. I would imagine back then they were set in wood blocks using leather as the bearing with animal grease to lubricate the leather.
Lord only knows as I certainly do not. Well, that is my best guess. Keep us posted.
When I was just a very young twerp my father used the services of a machine shop which still used overhead shafts that turned large leather belts to power the tools. Long gone and replaced by an ungodly ugly gravel parking lot that is hardly ever used - and that is progress.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2008 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Born December 6, 1732 and died July 23, 1794.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 07-14-2008 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love whirls are new to me and I have a habit of reading tool inventories of dead silversmiths as I enjoy the names of old and new tools.

Beck iron, boras box, snarling iron, are some of the common ones, as well as arbor but love whirl?

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 07-14-2008 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will take another stab at 'love whirls'. Coins and tokens have always been used as symbols of affection/love by having one side filed smooth and then engraved with words of affection. They are almost always accompanied by fancy flourishes. Could these be the 'love whirls'?

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The information about John Avery's Love whirls and arbors is taken from "The Modern History of New London County Connecticut,"
Volume One which was pulished in 1922 by Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York City. The Editor In Chief
is Benjamin Tinkham Marshall, AM, DD, President of Connecticut College, New London, Connecticut. Flynt and Fales use this work as a reference.

My guess is that Love is the maker or manufacturer of these whirls and arbors that were used in some way in the finishing process of gold or silver smithing, maybe on the inside of a piece?

The exact wording of the reference to this item was "Among the Goldsmith's tools included in his inventory heretofore not named, viz. "7 Love whirls and arbors."." There is no further explanation given of this tool.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd want to see the original - seems a good chance that was mistranscribed from '7 doz whirls and arbors'....

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wev
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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As would I. "lots" would also be possible.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which still begs the question what are or were Love whirls and arbors or just whirls and arbors.

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As argentum1 noted above, an arbor is a shaft used for rotary polishing wheels, cutting wheels, etc - the point is it's a shaft to which discs and wheels of different sorts can be attached for rotary cutting, grinding, and polishing. The arbor is mounted in a chuck on the main rotary shaft, whether stationary or flexible, and the discs/wheels in turn are attached to the arbor.

Although the term is not used today to my knowledge, a whirl certainly sounds like a good descriptor for some of the kinds of wheels that would be mounted to an arbor - in use, they indeed whirl, at a good speed. These might include such things as wire brushes, and felt or cloth or leather discs and wheels (which might then be charged with any of several abrasive compounds). They might be small-scale, like those used in a jeweler's shop on a flexible shaft, or large like those used for buffing in a metalsmith's shop. Any shop would be expected to have a variety of such things, and they wear out (the wheels and discs, that is) so multiples for replacement would be expected as well.

Outside of a decently equipped shop, the most common version of these found today would be those associated with the Dremel Moto-tool and similar devices. These can be seen at pretty much any hobbyist shop.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2008 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. What an arbor is at least for myself was a given. That term was included
initially just for context.Your desciption of a whirl makes sense.

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salmoned

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'Love' could have derived from 'large', also.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-18-2013 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has already been pretty well alluded to, but from what I am now seeing, I'd say that a whirl is the same thing as a pulley. As for "Love," I can only guess that it was the manufacturer's name or at least part of it.

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