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OWK Posts: 69 |
posted 02-07-2008 01:59 PM
  
[26-1577] Hello all, I have recently acquired a late 18th century American spoon marked "HALL" in Roman caps in a flared rectangular punch with a variegated bottom. It is certainly a beautiful spoon, and the condition is essentially pristine. It features a peaked arch drop, a slight bottom side midrib, bright cut decoration, and a script monogram. I love the spoon, but I'm having a little trouble with the maker. I narrowed the list of candidates to the following (although it may be none of them): Joseph Hall of Albany NY (his attributed mark is in script) Ivory Hall of Concord NH (the spoon seems too old, and none of the marks match) John Hall of New Haven CT (the attribution I am leaning toward based upon age, but I don't have his mark in any references) Asa Hall of Washington GA (an outside shot, but a nice dream... Asa was born in 1760, but wev lists his working range from 1811-1819... I have trouble thinking that he started his smithing career at 51) In any case, I'm not sure which HALL I'm dealing with here... so any help would be greatly appreciated. This one is a mystery to me. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 02-07-2008 02:12 PM
I have not seen this exact mark, but based on the letterforms, Green Hall of Albany would certainly be a possibility. IP: Logged |
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OWK Posts: 69 |
posted 02-07-2008 02:15 PM
I ruled out Green Hall owing to my presumption of the date of the spoon. (perhaps I was too hasty) I assumed this spoon to date between 1790 and 1800. Green Hall started work in 1810. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 02-07-2008 02:32 PM
He is first documented in 1808, but probably had been working several years earlier. Forms can hold over for quite a while, to say nothing of re-marking or making replacements. That said, mine is just speculation based on a visual similarity and should be taken as such. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-07-2008 05:30 PM
Probably not much help at all, but there is also a silversmith named Isaac Hall at 8 Fish Street in the 1810 Boston City Directory. Also found in the 1807 Boston City Directory, same address. Unfortunately, not shown at the Benjamin Burt house. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 02-07-2008).] IP: Logged |
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OWK Posts: 69 |
posted 02-07-2008 07:08 PM
Thanks bascall. Any info is good info for me right now. Finding the maker for this spoon is kind of important to me. Not only is this spoon in pristine condition, but she has five sisters. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 02-07-2008 07:43 PM
Asa Hall is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. His career as watchmaker, surveyor, engraver, and -- possibly -- silversmith is quite cloudy before his documented stay in Georgia. He apparently traveled all around New England, plying his trade for short periods, then moving on. He was working c 1795-1798 in Boston, where he married Mary Turner and his two children were born. Where he was between then and his arrival in Washington GA is a mystery. I do not know of any documented mark. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 02-07-2008 10:43 PM
quote: Joseph Hall of Albany and David Hall of Lancaster, PA also used the same or very similar letter forms, and both worked around 1800. Be that as it may, there is a colon on the left of the H in this mark, indicating that there was an initial that has been removed by cutting down the punch. Off hand, I cannot think of whose punch that might have been. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 02-08-2008 01:16 PM
Swarter's observation that there seems to have been something cut off of the die in front of the letters HALL seems likely. Not only does there seem to be some kind of mark there - either a colon or maybe a bit of whatever letter was there on the original die - but also it seems that the die's height on the left edge does not seem to be quite as long as on the right edge. Also, the die seems to be a bit curved with the ends being deeper and the center being a bit raised - if this is not just a function of the way the die moved when it was struck, the depth on the left does not seem to be quite and deep as it is on the right which further supports there originally having been a letter in front of the letters HALL. The two reasons I can think of for a cut down die are the original was damaged or it could have been used by a son of whomever the die originally belonged to which would make the spoons a bit later in time. It is certainly a very nice looking spoon! IP: Logged |
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OWK Posts: 69 |
posted 02-09-2008 09:10 AM
Swarter and Kimo, Closer inspection suggests to me that the features to the left of the "H" are similar to the sawtooth feature on the bottom of the punch, rather than a cut down colon or partial letter. I'll try to get a better picture. (and perhaps include the marks for other spoons of the set) IP: Logged |
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cbc58 Posts: 333 |
posted 03-21-2018 12:04 PM
Did you ever nail down the maker of this spoon ? I just bought the sister to it, with the same monogram (or possibly this exact spoon), and would like to see if any new information was uncovered. Tks. IP: Logged |
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