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mysterystevenson Posts: 3 |
posted 03-10-2008 07:21 PM
  
[26-1606] Would appreciate anyone's aid in identification of an old fork that I own. There was a seemingly related thread here but since there is a rule on new members posting in this section I decided to err with caution and post a new Q here. Here is a link to the other thread in these forums however; Help with ID. I am certainly no expert in this area but the thread above does seem to be related as far as similar marks and I will add an image that shows a head mark facing upwards then a lion and last a C or G... Also there is marked "Hayes & Robbins" , however there is no F.M. that would further help in ID. An engraving of a stylized Eagle or Phoenix is near the top of this fork as well and that may aid in dating style so will add an image of that.As to size the fork is 8.5 inches in length and has a weight of 90 grams. Fairly good size. Again any help would be appreciated. Images follow; Thank You, Mystery IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 03-10-2008 07:30 PM
Well, the psuedohallmarks do look similar to Frederick Marquand's, but without the F.M. it could be hard to say for sure. A lot of 19C American smiths, especially from NY, used pseudohallmarks. I will say Marquand forks I have had in the past with marks like those were similarly large and heavy, weighing nearly 3 troy ounces. Hayes & Robbins were probably the original retailers of the fork. Unfortunately they are not listed in the only reference I have on retailers. The engraving on the handle is an armorial device for the original owner of the fork. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 03-10-2008).] IP: Logged |
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mysterystevenson Posts: 3 |
posted 03-10-2008 07:46 PM
Thank You for an amazingly fast reply. Astounding! Have never seen such a fast reply on any forum, and with knowledge of the subject.Thank you again, but it does look like I may have difficulty with a proper attribution.Alas... IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 03-11-2008 11:23 AM
McGrew attributes these marks to what he calls the Gilbert-Cunningham/Cooper complex, in NYC. Hayes & Robbins is not traced that I know of; there are several Hayes's in and around Poughkeepsie, and multiple Robbins's seem to be in Philadelphia. Not much help there.... That 'threaded fiddle' pattern is often quite heavy, and the crest is nice too. IP: Logged |
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mysterystevenson Posts: 3 |
posted 03-11-2008 07:39 PM
Thank You FWG, Seems there is very little on Hayes & Robbins. I was actually relieved when I found mention of them in the post by Kate611 in the above linked thread in my first post. Kate611 seems to relate them to these NY makers and that seemed perhaps to be of import but I imagine more information needs to be collected for a firm connection. Hope a solution to this mystery comes along, sharing information and compiling same takes time of course. IP: Logged |
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