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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 01-14-2008 12:44 PM
  
[26-1563] Rainwater's 4th Edition says that Peter L. Krider was in business as an independent silversmith from 1850. Why would he not be listed in the 1860 Philadelphia directory (kindly published by wev)? There's apparent disagreement about when he went into partnership with John Biddle, and when the business name became Krider & Biddle (Rainwater says 1859 & 1860, Cramer in a 1988 Silver article says 1868), but I'd expect to see the Krider firm there in one form or the other in 1860. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-14-2008 12:57 PM
He may well have been in Philadelphia at the time. The directory charged a fee for business listings and some folks just didn't wish to pay. Ensko notes that he was listed in the 1851 edition at 51 Dock Street. Quimby states that John Biddle joined him in 1859 and the firm continued till the first years of 1870. In 1865 it was at the corner of Eighth and Jayne Street. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 01-14-2008).] IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-14-2008 02:42 PM
As a side note, John W. Biddle was the grandson of the silversmith Phillip Garrett, nephew of Thomas Cresson Garrett, and brother of Samuel Biddle. If anyone has a nice clean shot of the Krider & Biddle mark, I would appreciate a copy. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-14-2008 11:00 PM
Here's an example of the mark that might do until a better one comes along. It's off of a child's cup with the engraved date 25 December 1869. IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 01-14-2008 11:21 PM
wev: quote: Thanks for the information, wev. More interweaving! The oldest pieces in the silver I inherited are fiddle serving spoons by Phillip Garrett, most likely from the late 1820s. Information in your excellent project helped me narrow down the date. I've got to start taking better notes; just yesterday somewhere there was a mention of Thomas Garrett in connection with another silver maker that I've been reading up on... but I can't find the reference. Polhamus? Shiebler? Gale? gaaahhh... IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-15-2008 02:15 AM
Here's what the U. S. Federal Census's have on John W Biddle. In 1860 he is a manufacturer, in 1870 he is a manufacturer of silver ware, and in 1880 he is the treasurer of the Mine Hill (and Schuylkill Haven) Rail Road. His father is a druggist in 1850 and in 1860 he is a Secretary which presumably means he too was a company officer. This of course doesn't mean John wasn't a silversmith first. As most know, silversmiths held many influential positions in their particular societies. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-15-2008 10:43 AM
bascall, you seem to have relatively easy access to the federal census data. Is this from an online source? None I've tried has been anywhere near complete or easy to use, so if you have a good one I'd love to know - primarily for non-silver research, at least for now. It'd save me, and many of our students, trips to the regional center down in Elmira. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-15-2008 11:27 AM
Ancestry.com is my source for census records. It takes some creativity and imagination to get around their site sometimes. Spelling variations, errors from all corners and indexing styles can be challenging. The site has been a "gold mine" for my own family history research though. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-16-2008 05:55 PM
Thanks! That does look pretty good - certainly better than others I've tried. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 01-25-2008 12:08 AM
Thanks Bascall for posting the Krider and Biddle mark. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-25-2008 12:21 AM
No problem. The image of the mark was taken from an item that belonged to someone else with their permission of course. It seemed kind of interesting because it was accompanied by the Crittenden name that is often seen on its own. IP: Logged |
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