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Locust Quarter Posts: 10 |
posted 07-24-2009 03:42 PM
  
First time post here, hope I am complying with all the rules. I'm a fairly small time silver collector. Recently at an auction I purchased a set of silver spoons. Bought them to get the one I recognized(Charleston SC tablespoon). Included among the six teaspoons are two that I am curious about. Two marks, one says Richards, and one says Keene. The one that says Richards is the larger of the two. But they are in identical, and unusual, cartouches. Rectangular, lunetted corners, with what looks like a string inlay. Have not been able to find them listed in my references books. Anyone here have any idea? Sorry no picture at this time(a bit beyond my capabilities at the moment). Those two spoons are a simple flared fiddle pattern, as were all the teaspoons. Tablespoon was plain fiddle. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-24-2009 03:49 PM
I would suspect George Hale Richards, a jeweler and watchmaker who worked c 1840-1860 in Keene NH. IP: Logged |
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Locust Quarter Posts: 10 |
posted 07-24-2009 04:04 PM
Thanks for the prompt reply. Amazingly fast. Did not find any picture or drawing of the cartouche in my books, but maybe just don't have the right ones. The date looks to be about right. The teaspoons that I could ID date to about 1850. Tho the table spoon is 1820's. Clearly no connection between them except they all came out of the same estate. This looks to be an excellant source for information, glad I found it. IP: Logged |
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Locust Quarter Posts: 10 |
posted 07-24-2009 09:37 PM
Well since you were so quick and knowledgable about those two spoons, does S. Hovey, C.A.W. Crosby,or W.A. Hayward mean anything to anyone one? Those are the other unidentified teaspoons from that auction. The only teaspoon I could ID was Philadelpia, and was sort of hoping against hope their might be another Southern spoon in there to go along with the Charleston tablespoon. The C.A.W. Crosby is in Kovels, but listed as location unknown. My guess is it could be a retailer and maybe not the maker. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-25-2009 01:26 AM
You can consult my small researches at American Silversmiths for Charles Augustus Wilkins Crosby, [This message has been edited by wev (edited 07-25-2009).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-25-2009 07:37 AM
A bit more on the W A Hayward family: William A Hayward appears in the 1860 U S Federal Cenus for Attleboro, Massachusetts in his father's household. He was a jeweller and his brother Henry L was a refiner. In the 1870 U S Federal Cenus for Attleboro, Massachusetts William is noted as working on jewelry and Henry was a gold refiner. In the 1880 U S Federal Census for Attleboro, Massachusetts, Henry L is listed as a manufacturing jeweler. In the 1883-4 Attleboro Directory Hayward & Witherell (Henry L Hayward and Proctor E Witherell) are listed as manufacturing jewelers first floor Hayward & Briggs' building. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 07-25-2009).] IP: Logged |
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Locust Quarter Posts: 10 |
posted 07-25-2009 07:40 AM
Again thanks for the reply. Found all three of them. Amazing. Ensko, Kovels and Wylers did not have that information. But sadly, no more Southern spoons in the mix. Can't say I'm surprised, but a bit disappointed. Oh well one out of seven is not so bad. At least now I have two Charleston pieces. Have reached the point with my silver buying unless it's a somewhat unusual piece, I try to limit my American silver to South of the Mason Dixon. But will gladly pick up the odd pieces from elsewhere if they get included in the mix. Got a great 1770's Dublin spoon that way years ago, and its one of my best. IP: Logged |
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Locust Quarter Posts: 10 |
posted 08-04-2009 07:03 PM
Hi, well have another question for you. I have a set of 5 coin silver soup spoons. Marked on the back J.L. Phillips, according to my research a 3rd quarter of the 1800's Baltimore retailer. Also marked C C S, with each letter in a round cartouche. Anyone have any idea who C C S was? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-04-2009 10:27 PM
It could be that the maker or manufacturer was Charles C Shaver of Utica, New York. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 08-05-2009 10:50 AM
Does the CCS mark have an ampersand (CC&S); if so, it could also be Curtiss Candee & Stiles of Woodbury, CT. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 08-05-2009 01:14 PM
It would be great if you could please post some photos. Without them any information people can provide is at best a guess with limited confidence as to whether the particular marking is what it may seem to be, or something else entirely. There are so many markings that are very similar that photos really are a must, and there are forged markings as well. Also, one of the main purposes of this site is to enable people who enjoy silver to share in appreciating what others are inquiring about and learn themselves. This is not possible without clear photos. Is there a particular reason you are not able to post photos? Digital cameras are so very common and inexpensive these days that even if one does not personally own one yet, they are easily borrowed from family or friends. Also, if you will be collecting silver, the ability to share photos not only with this forum but in other circumstances will be worth the small effort to acquire a camera and learn how to post and share images. There are clear instructions for how to post photos in the yellow box at the head of each page on this forum, for example. IP: Logged |
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