|
A GLOSSARY of MILLED BANDS
|
|
How to Post Photos |
REGISTER (click here)
|
SMP Silver Salon Forums
American Silver before sterling Two cups
|
SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone! | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
Author | Topic: Two cups |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 02-08-2016 05:54 PM
Above are two of my favorite beakers. The barrel shaped beaker has the manufacturer’s marks for John Chandler Moore and the retailer’s mark for J and I Cox. The Cox firm was in business between 1846 and 1853 and that is probably the time period that this cup was made. The barrel shaped cup has an interesting history with a design by Asa Blanchard reflecting the importance of bourbon in early Kentucky. The Moore cup is not as squatty as the Blanchard one, but still serves the purpose. The other cup has the mark of Amable Brasier of Philadelphia working 1794 to 1833. The tapered sides make this cup very easy to hold. Both of these cups were hand raised as shown by the centering dot next to the marks. Mr. Brasier certainly has an interesting name and was the retailer of another cup (Connections with the past) that I have. IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-08-2016 07:59 PM
There's something so appealing about the shapes and the simplicity of these two cups. And I love the eagle mark with its long, hooked beak. IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 02-09-2016 11:36 AM
Very nice examples! I love these coin beakers! IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-26-2016 12:39 AM
A friend of mine pointed out that while the center punch mark can indicate that the cup was hand raised, one still has to check the cup to see if there are any seams. The center punch is not used exclusively on hand raised cups. I have checked again and I do not see any seams on these two beakers, but in the hands of a good silversmith seams can vanish. I really don't know the exact time when the manufacturing method changed, but since different equipment was used I suspect it did not happen overnight. My friend thought that 1800 was the conversion time. I have several waste bowls that have a center punch mark and I have always assumed these were hand raised. These bowls mostly dated from the 1820s and may just indicate that hand raising larger objects continued after it was no longer used on cups and beakers. IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 04-26-2016 10:29 AM
I have one beaker that's similar, and mine does indeed have the seam. It's incredibly hard to see, and there are hammer marks from manufacture, but mine is not raised. I've seen the center dot on spun pieces, too. From what I understand, it can be on both, and there's no real timeline on when a piece can be raised or not. I have raised (handmade pieces) from most all periods. It depends on the silversmith. Here is mine: Mine is c.1820-30, Nashville, Tennessee. IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-28-2016 09:32 AM
You have a great early cup. Caldwell's book has a nice section on John Smith including pictures of three different marks that he used and pictures of an attractive cup and ladle. From the text I think Smith was in Nashville from 1830 to 1850, but the only printed material that Caldwell found was an advertisement from 1835 announcing the sale of his jewelry store. IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 04-28-2016 10:09 AM
Yes indeed! The very day that I bought this cup, (and later that evening discovered it was southern!) I went online and found a copy of Caldwell's book. My mark matches the one in the book like a fingerprint! I initially believed this cup to be c.1830, but a dealer and expert in southern decorative arts in Nashville, TN viewed these pictures and estimated it's possibly as early as 1820! (he gave 1820-30 as his estimate) After looking at many examples, I tend to agree with his estimate as it's got a very distinct regional appearance. It was quite a find at the price I paid at that time. Melt plus 25%! IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-28-2016 11:40 PM
Above are pictures of cups that are commonly referred to as julep cups and straws that are often sold to go with these cups. IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-28-2016 11:41 PM
The cups range in size from 3 7/8 to 2 7/8. If I have the pictures lined up right the makers marks are a shown below from the tallest to the shortest. I think that the straws that have a spade like feature on one end are really for iced tea or some other drink that one wants to stir. The other straws with either nothing on the ends or a simple ball like feature work well for sipping the julep. They slip in easily into the crushed ice and since the drink is mixed before pouring into the cup no stirring is required. The spade like feature just interferes with the insertion of the straw into the drink. Finally below is a picture of the frosted and decorated cups ready to be served.
IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 04-29-2016 09:49 AM
Thanks for the good examples. Looks very refreshing. IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 04-29-2016 10:43 AM
Indeed, a splendid collection! IP: Logged |
June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 04-29-2016 03:41 PM
Ready for the Kentucky Derby! IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-29-2016 08:14 PM
June the Kentucky derby is coming up soon and these are usually put to use at that time. I did forget about the beaker below by Jaccard of St. Louis. It is the tallest one I have at just over 4 inches. I put it away as it just holds too much bourbon. It is a good example of the beaded borders that many of these beakers have. It also has the initial BCAMA that stands for Boone County Agricultural and Mechanical Association. These beakers were a favorite premium given away at state or county fairs. Below are two more examples; one from Ray County and another from CDAS that may stand for Central Division Agricultural Society. I really don’t have firm dates on when these were made, but I think a good many were from the 1850s and 1860s. Most of the beakers had either the beaded border a rimmed border, but a few do have a milled band border. Some examples are shown below. If you like the taste of bourbon a mint julep will be one of your favorite drinks. Fresh mint is essential, but it is really easy to grow. The only other recommendation I would make is to take the time to make simple syrup with the mint leaves. Prepackaged sugar with mint flavoring is just not the same. It is just like the prepackaged roux for making gumbo; a poor substitute for the real thing. IP: Logged |
All times are ET | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a
1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums. 2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development). 3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post. |
copyright © 1993 - 2022
SM Publications
All Rights Reserved. Legal & Privacy Notices |