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seaduck Posts: 350 |
posted 02-20-2008 10:21 AM
Today's Boston Globe has a story about someone who has a snuffbox that he is absolutely, positively certain is by Paul Revere...tho' others are doubtful. Some of you may be familiar with this piece -- he apparently offered it at auction online, but withdrew it when he had no takers. If so, you might be interested in the backstory. quote: IP: Logged |
Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 02-20-2008 10:50 AM
The attribution of objects to the great and good is a minefield. The English equivalent is Nelson. I have seen so many buckles with, almost always , an ancient tag saying "One of Nelsons shoe buckles" that I am suspicious of virtually all of them. One was on Ebay recently, Irish and in relict condition. Not impossible to have adorned the Admiral's shoe but so unlikely that Nelson would have worn one in that condition as to be discountable, and equally unlikely for it to have had that degree of wear subsequently. I described it as "Nelsons buckle from his gardening shoes on HMS Victory" I would be more inclined to support the owner of this snuff box. If he can show writing similarities unique to Revere then he has case. IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 02-20-2008 10:54 AM
I remember the piece well. If he wants to think it is Revere then good for him. This reminds me of the lady on Antique Roadshow telling the appraiser, "well, you could be wrong". Yes, he could be wrong but do not bet your life on it. I for one think Revere silver is totally, outrageously overpriced. Now if he had taked some silver on that ride and banged a few Bristish solders up side the head with it. Then I would say ok on a high value of those specific pieces. I will shut up now and please do not throw things at me for my heretical views on Revere. Unless you throw porringers, ladles and the such. IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 02-20-2008 11:22 AM
It is human nature to want to own something that once belonged to someone famous (or infamous as well). There is so much stuff found in families' heirlooms with elaborate attributions to someone famous and that somehow came into possession of one of their ancestors that people like Paul Revere would have to have been working 24 hours a day, seven days a week for hundreds of years to have made all of the things people are 'certain' must have been made by him. Or people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln must have had a hundred warehouses to hold all of the things people have tucked away in their attics that they are 'certain' were once owned by them. And so on. Family histories get elaborated from one generation to the next. Unless an object can be shown to be what it is purported to be through serious scholarship or through unassailable provenance, the best you can ever say is that it is 'in the style of' someone and it has no value beyond any other similar object made by or once owned by any other person. If this box has no Revere markings on it and if there is no fully documented unbroken chain of possession from Paul Revere or if there are no fully documented examples just like it to compare it it, it is just a nice old snuffbox. An argument that 'you can not prove that it wasn't made by Revere' is meaningless since the burden of proof is on the person who it averring the it was made by Revere. Otherwise, one could make the equally valid argument that it was made on the planet Mars by aliens and brought to earth where it was given to someone's ancestor. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 02-20-2008).] IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 02-20-2008 04:42 PM
I saw a large Old Sheffield Plate tray last week that had engraving on the back tracing ownership back to George Washington through Martha Washington’s family. The last descendent certainly could prove that they were descended from Martha Washington and they may have had records in sufficient detail to show how the tray passed on from generation to generation. However, someone during this 200 year time period modified the tray by adding inappropriate feet, handles and a “decorative border”. None of these additions could be removed and George would no doubt turn over in his grave if he saw what someone in Martha’s family had done. The time period of the additions looked to me to be the 1840’s or 50’s and I suspect someone wanted to bring the tray up to date. It was nice however to pick up the tray and think that a portion of this tray was something that George actually held. IP: Logged |
seaduck Posts: 350 |
posted 02-20-2008 06:39 PM
<<It was nice however to pick up the tray and think that a portion of this tray was something that George actually held. >> And that, I think, is one of the most appealing things about old silver. That other hands have made it and held it. Not necessarily famous people. But because it has always been special, people made it, bought it, gave it, and used it for all sorts of reasons through their lives. IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 02-22-2008 07:58 PM
Revere wasn't actually the best silversmith in Boston, and it's his legend (which is largely myth anyway) that makes his work such a sacred cow. He was a fine businessman and retired very well set up, as his elder portrait by Gilbert Stuart in the MFA Boston attests. But even if this snuff box was the very one that Paul R slept with under his pillow every night for a dozen years, it wouldn't be worth $2.5 million. IP: Logged |
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