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Dorfner Posts: 13 |
posted 08-22-2001 11:43 PM
  
This has to do with a chafing dish that I have had for some time. I don't know how I missed this before but I just noticed the markings on it the other night. I believe it is silver of some sort because it has green tarnish under the rim of the dish that holds the food. The legs are very ornate in comparison to similar dishes I've seen on the web. The burner is an alcohol burner and the food compartment is enameled. I always thought it was chrome until I saw the tarnish. Does chrome tarnish? Okay, on the bottom of the food compartment there is, in blue color, a lion standing on his hind feet facing left but looking back over his shoulder or his face is forward with his front feet resting on what looks like a water pitcher, coffee pitcher or a kettle of some sort. This image is underlined and I cannot really make out what is under this except one thing. The mark looks like an 'S' or an italicized '5' either of which have been turned on their front or back. There is a wooden handle attached to this part by a metal piece and a small button for release I assume. The metal attachment is marked between the rivets: pat(?) May 28 1899. If it is silver I do not believe it to be silverplate because of the shine and lightness. There is soldering instead of screws even where the rivets were used. These are the only markings I can find on them and the only information I have been able to gather. Do you know anything about this piece? I promise, I am done for the night  [This message has been edited by Dorfner (edited 08-23-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Dorfner Posts: 13 |
posted 08-30-2001 08:09 AM
I have seen a Reed & Barton lion similar to the one I have described. The difference may be in how the lion has his head positioned. R & B's lion seems to be looking straight at you but this one seems to be looking back over the left shoulder. The mark is unclear to a small degree for me, a person who is totally ignorant of marks and such. Is it possible that this is R & B? If so, is there a site that has this mark posted? IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 08-30-2001 09:27 AM
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Dorfner Posts: 13 |
posted 09-04-2001 05:08 AM
Here are pictures of the mark on the bottom of the food compartment of the chafing dish. The first mark is the actual and the second (as best I could, not being a very good artist) is a copy I drew. There is a mark in the left hand bottom that has lost its coloring and I can not make it out. Hopefully this will help identify the mystery mark for me. Any other info or markings are listed in the initial post at the top. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-04-2001 10:10 AM
Nice job capturing the mark. Which technic did you use? IP: Logged |
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Dorfner Posts: 13 |
posted 09-04-2001 09:16 PM
I simply put the compartment with the mark in the scanner; put a black linen jacket over the lid to prevent light leakage; scanned at 250 resolution. The reason I did the drawing, amatuerishly as it is done, was to give a better view of how the head is facing, show that the one mark is indeed partially gone, etc. I just hope someone recognizes it. Oh, I forgot to say before, it has an alcohol burner with - MANNING BOWMAN & CO PAT'D. FEB. 15, 1898 - JUNE 18, 1901 inscribed on one side of the cover with the opposite side is PERFECTION Maybe this will help. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 09-07-2001 09:12 AM
Manning Bowman is certainly a big US name in mass-produced plated goods. However, that burner is possibly a later replacement, since the mark you show is not Manning Bowman. To me it looks like a European mark, or some English Britannia (plated base metal) mark. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 09-07-2001 09:15 AM
The mark you show is on the enameled food holder, right, in blue? Then you're not dealing with a silver maker at all, but a maker of enameled iron goods. Thus it could in fact be a French maker's mark, or anyone--but I don't know about this, because it's not silver. Chrome is not used to plate objects until the 1930s (in the 1920s nickel is still the primary plating surface). Chafing dishes were very popular from the 1890s throught the 1920s, because they allowed for elegant, casual "buffet suppers" that middle-class people could give instead of expensive sit-down dinner parties. THus there were chafing dishes of all sorts produced in this period in all sorts of materials. IP: Logged |
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Dorfner Posts: 13 |
posted 09-08-2001 09:15 PM
Okay, I do believe the mark on the food compartment of the chafing dish is from the company that did the enamel work. I have thought of that. But, I read in an article that at one point they were making sterling silver chafing dishes. This was discontinued due to the heating inadequacies of the metal. The heat transferred too quickly and not evenly through the metal and burned or scorched the food. In turn, the sterling chafing dishes were short lived. I will have to get a picture of this thing and post it because the 'legs' are very ornate in comparison to the one I saw featured in the article. I would lean toward Victorian style because of the floral pattern of the cavities or holes in the legs. Can iron be shiny like chrome? The only enameled piece is the food compartment. That leaves the stand with legs, water compartment and lid that are not overly shiny but shiny none the less. The handles are indeed wood with some heavy, heavy black type of coating applied. Anyway, I suppose that I need to get a picture of it. The more I information I gather makes me feel that I know even less than I thought I did to begin with  IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 09-10-2001 10:03 AM
Silver plate was extremely common before chrome plating began to take over in the 1930s. However, nickel plating was also something you might find, although it has a greyish color when it oxidizes. IP: Logged |
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