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3-dantiques Posts: 3 Registered: Sep 2001	posted 09-26-2001 05:31 PM Hello, What do you call this gorgeous silver plated server? And, anyone recognize the hallmarks? IP: Logged
Brent Posts: 1507 Registered: May 99	posted 09-26-2001 09:31 PM Hi, I'm not certain what it is, so I will leave that for someone else. As for the marks, they are the marks of the Atkins Brothers of Sheffield, England. EPNS stands for Electro-Plate on Nickel Silver. I'm not sure what the other marks mean; they may be some sort of manufacturers codes, or something else all together. The date could be anywhere from the 1850's on up, but probably not later than the 1880's I would think. I hope this helps! Brent IP: Logged
3-dantiques Posts: 3 Registered: Sep 2001	posted 09-27-2001 11:11 AM Thank you Brent! The knob on the front seems to be bakelite so I not so sure it's quite as old as you may think. Then again... I don't know when they came out with bakelite. IP: Logged
Brent Posts: 1507 Registered: May 99	posted 09-27-2001 12:35 PM Hi again, I stand corrected. The hand and plume mark was apparently introduced in the 1890s, so we are looking at a date from then on up. Bakelite was developed in 1907, so if the handle is bakelite (and original) it will date from sometime after then. I would think that is at least pre-dates World War II, as the company switched to a more normal (ATKINS BROS) stamp at some point. That's the problem with pieces in this sort of neo-classical style. They have always been popular in England, and still are today! Sorry I was so far off in my original impression! As for what it is, my first thought is that it is a bun warmer, but that would depend on how big it is. Can you give some dimensions? Brent IP: Logged
audrey unregistered	posted 09-30-2001 08:53 PM These are sometimes called "revolving tureens" and sometimes "breakfast servers", or even "Gladstone warmers" (I'm not sure of the origin of this....). If complete they will have two liners, one pierced sitting into a plain flat liner. The original button would have been ivory--could the one on this piece be ivory but stained or discolored to be a deeper color? They usually date from the end of the 19th century into the early part of the 20th century and were popular in the Edwardian era. I've never used one (!!) but I've understood that hot water goes into the very bottom part, and then bacon or scrambled eggs or some such thing are put on top of the pierced liner to keep warm, any grease dripping into the flat liner. IP: Logged
3-dantiques Posts: 3 Registered: Sep 2001	posted 10-02-2001 12:54 PM Thank you so much Brent and Audrey. You've been very helpful!! IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 05-02-2003 12:55 PM Re: "Gladstone warmers" (I'm not sure of the origin of this....)." Most likely named after William Gladstone (1809-1898), English Liberal political figure of the 19th century and prime minister under Queen Victoria. IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 05-02-2003 01:04 PM Note also that Atkin Bros. catalogue numbers up to 5191 are generally pre-1900. IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 05-02-2003 01:13 PM Also... quote: How can you determine if a piece is Bakelite? There are various popular (and some very ill - advised) methods to test for Bakelite. Let's start with the "don'ts" first. Never, never, never use a hot pin to test a piece of Bakelite (for the distinctive formaldehyde smell that is released when heat is applied to a phenolic resin); you may determine that the piece is Bakelite, but you will have irreparably damaged it. It has also become popular in recent years to use Dow's "Scrubbing Bubbles" to test for Bakelite (if you dab this caustic cleanser on a piece of Bakelite, your cloth will turn a yellowish color). Again, you may pass the test, but "Scrubbing Bubbles" is extremely abrasive and with repeated use will damage and strip your Bakelite. So how can you test for Bakelite? I strongly recommend "Simichrome", a German polish manufactured for use on chrome and other fine metals; it may usually be found at antique and high - end hardware stores. Believe it or not, Simichrome is not only the best way to test Bakelite, it's the best way to polish and protect it too. To test Bakelite, apply a very small amount of Simichrome to a soft cloth and rub it on the plastic - if the cloth comes away colored yellow to brown, the plastic is Bakelite. (To clean or polish Bakelite, buff with a clean, soft cloth after the initial application). It should be noted, however, that no testing method is foolproof; laminated Bakelite, for instance, will not pass any of the above tests. In such cases, there is no substitute for experience: get to know the look and feel of the various types of penolic resins. IP: Logged

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