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bonnie5050 Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-14-2003 11:09 PM Hi, I came across another tea set, marked with a star, then Rogers & Bro and a number 2301 on the tea pot, 2303 on the sugar and 2304 on the creamer. Can anyone tell me when this mark was used and possibly what the pattern is? I believe the numbers represent the pattern. It has flowers around the top and base of the pieces. I do not have pictures. I know it is silverplate. I did the search, but didn't find just star Rogers & Bro. (I am still trying to sort out the whole Rogers thing) Thanks again. ------------------ IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 04-15-2003 01:45 AM Does it look like this? Is your teapot a little taller? IP: Logged
bonnie5050 Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-15-2003 07:58 AM That's it. I can't believe you have a picture of the exact one. Do you know what the pattern is and about how old (or new) it might be. The one I have has a tiny bit of copper? showing thru in a couple of places,and the handle on the creamer is really dark...haven't been able to get it cleaned off yet. Did they use a different metal in the handles? Thanks for your help. This site is wonderful. ------------------ IP: Logged
bonnie5050 Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-15-2003 07:59 AM And yes, mine is taller. Maybe it's a coffee pot? ------------------ IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 04-15-2003 11:21 PM Rogers & Bro. was founded in 1858 in Waterbury, Connecticut. They began producing holloware about 1874, using "circle" marks. They became part of the International Silver Co. (InSilCo) in 1898 but exactly when the "circle" marks were replaced by the "(Star) Rogers & Bro." marks is unknown. International produced plated holloware until 1981, when it sold its plated holloware business (but not the Rogers & Bro. marks) to Oneida. Some InSilCo holloware pattern pieces were stamped with a four-digit number using the following scheme. The first two digits indicated the pattern and the last two digits indicated what the piece was. XX01 -- Coffee Pot (Some patterns did not have a teapot, so this was sometimes sold as a "Tea or Coffee Pot". There were also patterns where XX01 was a "Hot Beverage Server" or "Carafe" and they were sold along with an XX03 and an XX04. XX02 -- Tea Pot (if the pattern had one). XX03 -- Sugar Bowl. XX04 -- Cream Pitcher. Etc... not necessarily sequential. Just to confuse things, they also had an earlier scheme to number the same items XX06, XX07, XX08, XX09, etc., and on some patterns both schemes were used. A "Primrose" (18XX) pattern was introduced in 1952 by InSilCo / Wm. Rogers & Son. There appears to be no difference between that and your "Primrose" (23XX) pattern by InSilCo / Rogers & Bro., but I have to say that I'm no expert on either pattern. The mounts on electro-plated copper holloware (in this case, handles, spouts, and finials) are almost always made of white metal. You may be seeing oxidized base metal rather than tarnished silver. Hope this helps. [This message has been edited by Stephen (edited 04-16-2003).] IP: Logged
bonnie5050 Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-16-2003 06:22 AM Thanks so much for the information. It's a very pretty piece and it's nice to know a little about it. IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 04-16-2003 06:23 AM Note how the mounts in the photo also appear darker than the areas that are copper. Hmmm... looks like oxidized base metal to me. IP: Logged
bonnie5050 Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-16-2003 06:33 AM That's exactly how mine looks. Should I try to clean them off, or would it be better to just leave them? I don't mind the look. I still think it is very attractive. IP: Logged
Stephen Posts: 625 Registered: Jan 2003	posted 04-16-2003 04:46 PM You might want to polish once (with a good quality non-abrasive silver polish) and then wash the pieces regularly with soap and water. If you polish too much, too vigorously, or with anything abrasive you will wear away the pure silver plating, leaving more base metal showing. Like this... IP: Logged

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