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excalibr Posts: 2 |
posted 06-25-2003 08:33 PM
  
My wife and I bought this vase? at a yard sale last weekend and I am needing some information. Hopefully someone out there can answer my questions. First, WHAT IS IT? I know it looks to be very old--Victorian to me. It is 24" tall and 12" wide at the widest point. The lady said it was old and "real" silver. I kind of think it may be silver plate as there are no "sterling" marks on it. But, it has tarnished like silver. Also, how old is it? Lastly, WHO made it? I have added the best pics I can of the marks on the bottom. There are 3 Crests with what appears to be a single letter in each crest, but they are hard to make out what letter. It LOOKS like the first crest has the letter "A" or possibly "H". The second crest looks like the letter "S". The last crest looks like "C" or "E"? I am not sure as they are scripted in fancy calligraphy style. The last mark is an impression of an eagle or bird of some kind. Below those marks are the numbers 4314. Then there is "Patent No." and the numbers 72881. The Patent number suggests a date of 1867/68, but I know you cannot always go by the Patent numbers for age. Thanks! excalibr IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 06-26-2003 11:18 AM
According to the United States patents you have a Duncan Morrison "motor for carriages" of 1867. As you obviously don't, perhaps your object is not U.S., but rather from England? If this is the case, it is certainly silverplate. The second mark may not be an S, but an "&". My first impression on date is that it is nearer to 1890-1900, but that is just a feeling. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 06-26-2003 12:36 PM
Would suspect that the patent and the number are not related. Something about it is patented. And this is a stock number. Vases this size were made for a long period of time. 1890 to 1900 sounds right. But these large ones continued for a long time as commercial pieces used by upper end hotels, florists, restaurants and rail roads. Marks of commercial suppliers are not very well documented. Nice vase. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-26-2003 01:04 PM
Dale is correct. The patent is for the design.  IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-26-2003 01:25 PM
The mark in the photo is a little hard to see but it looks like Forbes Silver Co. (International Silver Co.) IP: Logged |
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excalibr Posts: 2 |
posted 06-28-2003 01:10 PM
Thanks to everyone for the information! The pic of the patent from 1927 pretty much nails it on the head. It even has the same number (72881). [snip ....SM] I am not very familiar with collectable silver items, but I just could not pass this vase up for $10 at a yard sale! It appears to be in very good shape. One more detail--it is "soft". I mean it bends easily. Does that imply a pewter base metal possibly? I know pewter will bend easily---as will lead. It is fairly heavy. I don't plan on polishing it as the natural patina is what drew me to the vase in the first place. Thanks again and ANY more info on the vase would be appreciated. excalibr IP: Logged |
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