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estelle Posts: 12 |
posted 12-05-2003 03:56 PM
  
Hi, Have this little piece marked Meriden Silverplate Co Quadruple Plated, with a number of 782 incised under the mark. Initially thought I had a salt or pepper shaker. Have been told it may be an ink powderer from a desk set of some kind used to sprinkle some kind of powder to dry ink. I'm clueless. Can someone tell me if it is from a desk set, the proper name for it, the name of the Meriden pattern - and possibly date it? I'll add a couple of pictures here: appreciate any help you can give. Probably should have included measurements. Added here: 2-3/4" high, base diameter about 1-5/8". IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-05-2003 11:29 PM
The piece probably began life in the 1870's or early 1880's and was called an Aesthetic or Japanese style. It probably was made into the mid 1890's, and may have metamorphed into a vague old tymie Colonial Revival item. There is a pitcher in this style that comes sometimes with applied decoration in a seaweed design. I suspect the seaweed was an earlier use of the design, so that would place this into a later date. As to what it is, here are a number of guesses. A salt shaker is the most obvious. Does the interior show pitting consisten with use with salt? A sand shaker from a desk set is a definite possiblity. As is a powder shaker from a dresser set. These are some of the possibilities, and no doubt there are others. IP: Logged |
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estelle Posts: 12 |
posted 12-05-2003 11:50 PM
Thanks, Dale! It's a start. And no, I don't see any pitting inside such as I would expect with salt. That's what made me think it might be something else... unless of course it was never used. So as part of a desk set, it would be sand they shook out to dry the ink, and if it were a powder shaker it would be part of a dresser set? How obvious is it I don't have a clue? I had a syrup pitcher from Meriden B company that was dated 1865, but it had a different mark... think it was scales. Would this mark with the creature (lion) in it be a later date?
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 12-06-2003 03:07 AM
The Meriden Silver Plate Co. was founded by Charles Casper in 1869. It is not the same as the Meriden Britannia Co which was founded in 1852 and began to produce silverplate apparently in 1855. Both companies were among the founders of the International Silver Company in 1898, but your piece pre-dates this. IP: Logged |
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estelle Posts: 12 |
posted 12-06-2003 11:22 AM
Thanks. Didn't realize that. I just thought it was the same with a new name after they started doing silver plate. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-06-2003 11:56 AM
Figuring out what these old items are becomes a bit easier when we realize that they are frequently interchangeable parts. They pop up as salt, powder and sand shakers depending on what other items they are associated with. The makers wanted to get as much mileage as possible out of the investment in dies as they could. So they used the basic item in as many ways as they could think of. Recently we looked at a butter dish. I pointed out this also appears as a jewelry casket, simply by the addition of an interior liner and a hinge. Another possibility occurs to me: this may have been sold as a powdered sugar shaker. It would have come with a syrup jug, possibly on a stand. In silver talk these are called muffiners, with a fairly standard form. This one does not meet the usual shape, but frequently Victorian US silverplate was made in innovative shapes and sizes. IP: Logged |
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Vi Posts: 17 |
posted 01-13-2004 12:58 AM
Your shaker may well be the pepper cruet to an original set that included an open salt. Vi ------------------ IP: Logged |
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