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Suz Posts: 20 |
posted 10-01-2004 09:56 AM
  
I recently acquired a tea service set which was presented to me as Elkington. When I got it home, I found that only the creamer is Elkington and that the set is a huge hodge podge of similiar neo classical style pieces. Needless to say I was upset with the seller. It seems that they may now be willing to take the misrepresented items back, however since I have now had time to research the marks, I have found that the teapot with stand and burner is W. Hutton along with the sugar(marked with name and cross arrows mark). Another teapot is H Wilkington. The last teapot I have not been able to identify, the maker mark looks like "B & T (?) S" The T may be another letter, I can't really make out the old english lettering. The quality of this piece is not as good as the others. All pieces are in good condition as far as the silver goes. Two of the pots could use some help restoring the dark wood handles. I am not sure if these are rosewood or some other wood. My research tells me that these manufacturers are "top of the line." I am wondering whether I should get my money back or keep these pieces. I am also interested in more information on H Wilkington. I saw that his sterling silver pieces command a high price, but was unable to find plated prices. What is your advice? I spent $350 on the set which also includes a large tray manufactured by EG Webster & son along with the international silver co mark. I was also wondering if the H Wilkington mark which I have provided can be further dated. The teapot pictured singluarly is the Wilkington.
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 10-01-2004 06:52 PM
Your set is in a very classic English style; it has been popular for many years. It is not ususual to find made up sets like yours, as the products of different manufacturers can appear so similar. The B&TS might be B&AS, for Broadhead and Atkin of Sheffield. The A is their mark has a tail at the top that might make it look like a T. The HW & Co. mark is for Henry Wilkinson & Co., not Wilkington. Hard to date, but still probably 1870-1900. We do not give valuations on this site, but personally I do not think you paid too much. Brent IP: Logged |
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Suz Posts: 20 |
posted 10-01-2004 07:22 PM
Brent, Thank you so much for your response. I will take a pic of the hallmark in question for your sage assessment tomorrow when their is daylight. I do appreciate your input. I have been antiquing for many years and this is the first time that I have come across misrepresentation. The thing is that all this vendor sold was silver, and I feel that he/she had to know that the marks did not match. The set had a big sign saying "Elkington tea set." I do realize that not all sellers know what they have. My fingers got away from me with the Wilkinson ID. The mark shown in the Rainwater book is different (the name wilkinson inside 4 swords), but I did find the same mark on what appeared to be a reputable silver online site which matched. I was just wondering if this particular mark could be dated more exactly. Thanks again, IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-02-2004 01:00 AM
I don't find it all that unusual for 'sets' to be composed of harmonized pieces from different makers. They were put together over a period of years or bought as gifts by people in different places. The fact that they were made by a number of different makers really does not strike me as all that odd. It simply shows a long effort by many folks to make an elegant and compatible tea set. IP: Logged |
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Suz Posts: 20 |
posted 10-02-2004 06:07 AM
Dale, I appreciate your input. It may not be unusual for sets to be composed of different makers, but I feel it is unethical to represent the set as a set made by a particular maker when it is not. As a relatively new collector of silver, even I know that a set is printed with the same design number and makers stamp and that most quality pieces do indicate the total number of pieces in the original set. Although I do think that the assembled pieces are valuable individually, the set would be much more valuable if it was a complete set of any of the makers (Wilkinson,Hutton,Elkington). Hey, at least the other pieces weren't stamped "Leonard." ;-)
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Suz Posts: 20 |
posted 10-02-2004 09:58 AM
Brent, Here is the pic of the sig in question. Their is some glare here and I will try to take another pic that is glareless, but you do get an idea of what that letter in question looks like, especially the top of it. Does this look anything like the maker's letter that you thought it might be? IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-02-2004 01:19 PM
Actually, I don't think that older sets are always marked in the same fashion. Very old ones that were hand made frequently have an orphan or two. Changing fashions and tastes can require the inclusion of something not made when the set was new. A better way of describing your set would have been: traditional pattern of associated pieces made by: names of makers, a good ensemble in theme and size. One reason for using different makers can be considerations of size: sometimes the pot makers cream and sugar are not a useful size for the buyer. Another point concerns the tray. It is not that unusual for the tray to be much later than the set. Trays are prone to breakage, and need to be replaced. And, in my experience, once all the utensiles are filled the set becomes too heavy to carry on a tray without the risk of spilling and dropping. I strongly suspect that people did not carry fully loaded teasets about. Rather they had a tray that stayed in place, to collect spills etc, and moved the individual items as needed. [This message has been edited by Dale (edited 10-02-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Suz Posts: 20 |
posted 10-02-2004 06:23 PM
great point on the tray. This tray is very heavy and just carrying it by itself is a workout. So many period movies have the help carrying around all sorts of items on the large trays. They must have been aluminum :-) We really enjoy using our serving dishes for some of the gourmet meals we cook up. We even use a cohannet tea set (4 matching/numbered pieces-teapot,creamer, sugar and the pot you throw the tea leaves away in) that my husband got me for my bday when we make high tea. Nothing gets carried around on a tray though. The tray stays put on the table. IP: Logged |
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