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 could extreme heat misshapen this little jug or was it made this way?
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mrsgreen Posts: 14 |
posted 12-17-2005 09:39 PM
  
Hello all, We found this little gem in our attack when we re roofed our 1923 build arts and crafts home. It was tucked under a roof joist covered in what I think used to be insulation but looked more like saw dust. The roof was original to the house so I am assuming this item must be at least that old. It gets pretty hot here in Tulsa so I thought maybe the shape was caused by the intense heat in the attack in the summer? Any ideas? I have researched the international silver Co. and boy what a history. What I am not sure of is how to identify the 09 the 4 oz and the 63 in the box shown on the bottom of it. I was told that the oz does not mean the amount of fluid it can holds this seems accurate since it will hold 6 ounces and it weighs 7 ounces. It is 3.5 inches tall and lust a hair over 3 inches from handle to spout. I thought it might have been a child's cup or a creamer. Christina IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 12-18-2005 10:13 PM
Hi there, This looks like hotel ware (heavy duty silver plate), and looks like a cream pitcher. Also looks like most of the silver has worn off. Why did they hide it.. From the yankees who were looting about that time... Hope this helps.. Marc IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 12-18-2005 11:53 PM
The Yankees were looting in 1923? Really? IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 12-19-2005 12:36 AM
And we are looting to this day! IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-19-2005 02:26 AM
Probably the four ounces refers to a recommended serving, not the total it would hold. Like, only put four ounces for each customer. Usually things like these were erhhh 'stolen' from a nice restaurant or hotel or train. Guilt feelings probably drove the perp to tuck these away. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 12-19-2005 09:48 AM
Ah, the Yankees must have been after my sense of humor as well. Did they get it, do you think, or did I just hide it so well it's gone for good? IP: Logged |
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mrsgreen Posts: 14 |
posted 12-19-2005 03:53 PM
You are all sooooo funny. Were the Yankees in Tulsa? Any who, can anyone tell me if the markings date the little creamer anywhere near the 1920's? If not then maybe the original owners of this house were not the original owners of this creamer. In 1905 this land, my home, is on was owned by a plantation family called the Gillette's. Who to this day still own the mansion 2 blocks up. My home as well as all within a 2 block area were known to be Slave homes. The size of your home determined the rank or rather duties you had on the plantation, my home is roughly 1800 sq ft. I wonder if the creamer belonged to the Gillette family and maybe the family who lived in my home received it as a gift from them for service? OK, now I am grasping at straws. Until I figure out a date I don't think I want to knock on their door and say "What do ya know I found a little silver creamer that was hidden in my attack, Thanks for the Gift" As for its condition It is just gorgeous when it is clean. I have had it sitting on a shelf for 3 years now. I'm originally from Detroit does that make me a Yankee? Christina IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-19-2005 07:48 PM
Commercial silverware tends not to be datable. It is made for very long periods of time. Creamers like yours have been produced for over 100 years. Yes, Detroit makes you a Yankee, I think. IP: Logged |
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mrsgreen Posts: 14 |
posted 12-20-2005 06:18 PM
Well if that is the case I guess I can pretend it has a wonderful story. Does anyone know what the number 63 means in the little square box? Also does the 09 mean the type if silver plating? I know 925 tells the amount or rather purity of silver. Any chance that has something to do with it? IP: Logged |
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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 12-20-2005 09:09 PM
Umm, not too likely your home was a "slave home" if it was built in 1923. IP: Logged |
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mrsgreen Posts: 14 |
posted 12-24-2005 07:11 AM
Guess I should have paid more attention in history. You are so right. Wow I must be so gullible I can't believe I fell for that. Oh well either way I still want to know what the 63 in the little box means. Learned something new yet again today. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 01-09-2006 03:15 PM
The 63 and 9 would be stock numbers to identify the particular model and size. It is a silverplated creamer from a restaurant or hotel or such - not a child's item. The age is indefinite, but I might think of something like somewhere in the 1900s - you just can't nail it down since these are so generic. It would not have deformed from the heat, unless your attic gets up to around 1,400 to 1,500 degrees in the summer  That is the temperature at which many alloys will begin to soften and melt. By the way, most types of wood will burst into flame at around 500 degrees, so unless your house has burned down, it is unlikely that the creamer was deformed by heat. It looks like the typical damage you get when something like that is dropped from a significant height or when something very heavy is dropped on it. IP: Logged |
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