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miabella Posts: 6 |
posted 04-29-2007 10:09 AM
  
[26-1389] Hi all, I have a small sauce boat, unsure if its silver or plated as I can see no marks on it, it weighs 166g and is appr 5" x 3", one leg appears to have a nip in it, does anyone recognize it IP: Logged |
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kerppola Posts: 69 |
posted 05-01-2007 07:51 AM
Most surely it is plated as there are no silver marks. It is quite difficult to say where it has been made as there are no marks. Most probably it is a 20th century sauce boat. Regards, IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 05-01-2007 09:35 AM
I wouldn't be so quick to assess it as plated, as I've seen plenty of unmarked silver, from various parts of the world. This piece has a somewhat awkward look, makes me think of colonial Latin America or Asia. Of course "white metal" (e.g., white brass) would also be an option, especially from parts of Asia. The bottoms of the feet would be a good place to look for possible wear with base metal showing throught the plate, if plated. Not that I see clear evidence of that in the photos. There's what looks like it might be an acid test spot on one foot, and perhaps the "nip" in one leg is afile mark from testing? In any case, my guesstimate would be late 19th to mid-20th century, if silver, and probably somewhat later if not. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-01-2007 10:41 AM
The style is so generic that it could have been made pretty much any where and any time over a couple of hundred year span, up to and including the week before you acquired it. It does not appear to be finely made, and given its lack of markings my guess is that it is either silver plated or not silver. Unless you luck out and come across someone from the factory at which it was made I think you will be hard pressed to pin it down. IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 05-01-2007 02:41 PM
Okay, here's my standard reply - weigh the object suspended in water (or weigh a container of water, then reweigh it with the object suspended in the water). The difference in weight (in grams) approximates the volume (in cc). Weight/volume = density (or specific gravity). For instance, if this object loses 16 grams when suspended, it's some variant of solid silver (sterling, coin, .800, etc.). However, if it loses 18 grams or more, it's not. Obviously, precision and accuracy are important. If the handle is hollow and cannot be filled with water, this method is problematic. [This message has been edited by salmoned (edited 05-01-2007).] IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 05-01-2007 08:49 PM
When new, the silverplated ones came with an undertray. Sometimes only the tray was marked. And as this appears to be an unstable relationship, the pieces separated. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 05-08-2007 01:54 PM
Do we all assume that the poster knows what he or she has at all? After reading through all the posts I realized that somewhere we ought to say that this piece outwardly has the form of a mid-18th-century sauce boat. I see it as very much English or colonial, and its lack of sophistication in design and making speaks to a provincial origin OR to its being a reproduction object from the 20th century. I'd be interested to see an example of this from, say, the 1840s or 1870s, because to my mind the form disappears by 1780 and doesn't reappear until the 1880s (at the earliest) with the colonial revival (in the US). I may be dumb, but I don't even think the most distant colonial outposts really did this form well into the 19th century. The rococo revival that appears in British silver by the 1820s and American by the 1830s is not this austere, provincial style. IP: Logged |
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