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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-28-2007 12:29 AM
  
[26-1507] I have this silver antique vintage silver cup but I do not know what it was use for. Can someone help me find out? I bought the cup and a butter dish with the same design but the dish stamped is Roger, Smith & Co 1877 IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 09-28-2007 07:58 AM
Hello karakal, try searching the company names and and read past posts, this may help. Without an image it is hard to imagine what you have! Are the marks engraved or stamped? How big is it? Does it show wear (plated)? Good luck. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 09-28-2007 08:21 AM
The Meriden B. mark is that of Meriden Brittania Company, originally organized in Meriden CT in 1852, however they were in business until the end of the 19th century, when they became part of International Silver Company. The numeric mark is not the date, but rather a pattern or product number. Does the mark have anything else associated-e.g. is it in a circle with a set of scales in the middle and does it have any other wording? Without a photo, it is difficult to judge age, but the fact that your Rogers, Smith & Co piece is of the same pattern may narrow it down a bit. Meriden Brittania Company bought Rogers, Smith & Co., but did so in pieces between the 1860's and 1870's. Can you describe the Rogers, Smith mark in greater detail-for example, does it give the name of a town?. IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-28-2007 11:06 AM
So sorry. I was trying to post the pictures but I can not see where on this forum I can click or paste the photos. How can I post pictures? I keep going to the "How to post pictures" but I do not see where to click? Can I post pictures here or do I go to a other forum? Thank you so much for replying back? IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 09-28-2007 11:32 AM
There is no place on this site to post pictures; you need to host them somewhere else. I personally use Photobucket; you then need to copy the IMG listing of the photo and post it into your posting. Alternatively, if you provide more detailed description of the marks, we can probably narrow the date a bit. IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-28-2007 12:33 PM
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-28-2007 01:15 PM
Sorry again. I was trying so hard to post pictures that I did answer the questions. The butter dish is Roger, Smith & Co. New Haven, Conn. 1877 The cup is Meriden b Company in a circle with scale in the middle. It also stamped with "patent applied" there seems it be 3 more letters after applied but its hard to read. Hope you can see in pictures. IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-29-2007 03:01 PM
  Sorry again. Hope this work this time. IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 09-29-2007 03:07 PM
 Okay now. What kind of cup is this? What would be the correct name? How would I go by looking for an other piece with the same pattern? Thank you. IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 09-29-2007 06:07 PM
Looks like a sugar bowl. Probably part of a tea or coffee set. It may have originally come with a cover. Fred IP: Logged |
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SusanT Posts: 104 |
posted 09-29-2007 06:32 PM
quote:It appears to be a sugar bowl with cover missing or a waste bowl that was probably once part of a tea service. The pattern name is the number, "1877." quote:The well known replacement service on the web has this pattern listed and pictured under the Rogers Smith and Co. with a picture of a small tea service of teapot, sugar and creamer. They do not have the pattern listed under Merriden Britannia Co. probably because they don't have any pieces with the Merriden Britannia Co. mark? --- Susan IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-29-2007 06:35 PM
I was looking for the part number in the MB catalog.. It was not there. I see similar items labeled as spoon holders. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 09-29-2007 07:10 PM
The handle used here was a popular one. The Meriden Brittania Company used it for a long period of time. My experience is that it was a popular children's cup handle, down into the early 20th century. What you hear is a 'slop' or spoon holder. In the system of serving coffee, this piece held the spoons. When everyone had a spoon in their cup, it became the place to dump the beverage that spilled onto the saucer. IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 10-04-2007 02:45 AM
Thank you all for the information. When was these pieces made? And why is one done with Roger Smith Company the (butter dish) and the cup with Meriden? What's the name of the web site to find more pieces like these? / IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 10-04-2007 02:09 PM
Just to be clear, since your initial posting described these as 'antique vintage silver' and I haven't noted anyone entirely correcting you, these are not antique silver, they are antique silver plated hollowware. The reason one is marked with Roger, Smith & Co. while the other is marked with Meriden was pointed out by Doc in his response. Meriden bought Roger, Smith & Co. When one silver company bought another, they would get all of the rights to the designs along with the inventory, tools, dies, machines, etc. including the stamps used to mark the products and often many or all of the employees of the bought out company. The new oweners often marked and marketed things under both names in order to increase their market share. Later, when Meriden was bought by International Silver the same kind of thing kept going on. It was and still is a common business practice. You also see this in the antique glassware collecting field. If you want to find a website that specializes in selling silver to people who are trying to replace missing or damaged objects from their settings, all you need to do is use your favorite search engine and enter a few key words. There is one big one that tends to pop up on most searches, though they also tend to have big prices for the convenience. Older patterns are hit or miss with these kinds of replacement silver and china companies in terms of them having any in stock at any given point in time. You can also give your business to your favorite silver dealer and many of them are happy to help you obtain pieces to fill out your service, though of course you will need to be willing to compensate such experts a fair sum for their hard work and specialized knowledge on your behalf. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 10-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
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karakal Posts: 13 |
posted 10-04-2007 09:26 PM
Thank you for correcting me on my ignorance on my silver plated hollowware. One more question from this "new member who lacks knowledge on this subject": When were these pieces made? How can I find out? Please be kind. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 10-04-2007 09:54 PM
Your butter dish dates from the period of 1862-1877, which was the period in which the Rogers Smith mark with the New Haven date was estimated to have been used. You can assume that the bowl was made at or slightly after that period, since Rogers Smith was absorbed into Meriden in 1877. A mid-1870's date would be a good approximation, based on the style of the design. It may have been that Rogers Smith used the design first, but never filed a patent application for it, but when Meriden took over, it filed an application to patent the pattern. If this were the case, then it is probable that your sugar bowl dates very closely to the butter dish, since your piece is marked patent app'd for. But that would be speculation on my part. [This message has been edited by doc (edited 10-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
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