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DoberMom

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iconnumber posted 07-26-2004 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DoberMom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've tried to figure out who the maker was and if the item is sterling or plate. I just haven't been able to determine it. I really appreciate any help!

Thanks,
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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 10-25-2004 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if dobermom has given up yet?

These are the marks of ELIZUR G. WEBSTER & Co. of New York.
As far as I know they are found on Sterling Silver pieces,
but this is NOT my speciality and I stand to be corrected ???

- HELP!!
- This is WHY there is a WISE moderator!!

In any case, I am sure that they will be covered in the "Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers" by Dorothy Rainwater!!

[This message has been edited by Silver Lyon (edited 10-27-2004).]

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 11-02-2004 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a mark for E.G.Webster & Son (1886-1923 or '28) and Rainwater does show it as a sterling mark, but Turner shows it as a silverplate mark. Having seen several pieces with this mark that were definitely plated and adding in that an American maker of that time period would be unlikely to make a sterling piece without marking it "sterling" or "925/1000" it would seem that perhaps this is an error in Rainwater. I've run across the top set of marks with the the pseudo-hallmarks underneath, with "EGW&S" underneath, and also with "E.G.Webster & Son". Rainwater says the company was known for English reproductions, this might explain why the "British hallmark" type marks were used. Hopefully Dale will come in with the correct information.

Cheryl ;o)

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-02-2004 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These look like the type of psuedo hallmarks that appear on high quality silverplate down into the present. I am hesitant to assign them to just one company. My take is that these marks were used by successor firms for a long time after Webster went out of business. They are adapted from Sheffield fusion plate markings. I really could not assign a date to the items. It is also highly possible that the dies were acquired by another firm that continued to produce with these marks as a brand name. This is an area that really needs research.

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