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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-08-2006 06:07 PM
  
[01-2523] Today I found 9 lovely, older looking forks. They had no makers mark, but were simply marked: 12 dwt Does anyone know what the 12 dwt stands for? I have some other flatware marked, with the same 12 dwt and have always wanted to find out. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 11-08-2006 06:17 PM
The quality/thickness of plating used. IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-08-2006 06:20 PM
Thanks wev... and that was a fast answer! I wonder why no one claimed ownership of making them? IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 11-08-2006 08:26 PM
Pictures Venus, pictures. If you put one up I may be able to identify the pattern and maker. A lot of plate has only part of the marking, maybe made on Friday when everyone was in a rush to leave. But patterns are usually knowable. From that we can figure the maker. The mark is 12 pennyweight. It means that quantity of silver went on 2 dozen pieces. Usually this mark is pre WW1. IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-09-2006 05:55 PM
Yes Dale, I will try and get them posted. I work 3 jobs in order to support my silver addiction, but I will fit the pictures in. Found the camera and my batteries are dead. Will charge them and try again in the morning. You are right, pictures are needed. Would that mean that an oz of silver was divided between 12 forks? Or another weight divided between 12? IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-11-2006 09:05 AM
 finally! IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 11-12-2006 04:40 PM
Interesting puzzle, you got me. I can't figure out what it is. It looks like a lot of patterns from the period 1900 to 1920. The shape indicates that it was made to go with a solid handle knife. These pieces are always somewhat, or very different, from the main line of forks etc. The design is adapted to the handle shape, and can get a bit away from the standard pieces. My guess would be Wallace or Yourex, but they were good at marking pieces. This may have been made up to go with a line of china. And not marked because the china retailer was expected to do so. And never got around to it. Don't know, but thanks for showing me I don't know everything? Any others have ideas? IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-13-2006 07:43 AM
Yourex is a new one for me Dale. I thought they were unusual, with the pattern being the same on the front and back, and that "break" or "trough" for lack of the correct word between the lower and upper part of the fork. The dealer I bought these from is watching out for other items in this pattern. He buys at auctions up north and brings them south. His method of keeping track is which bucket he put them in. IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-13-2006 05:28 PM
well I am almost there with the makers name. Found the knives today and saw they were marked on the blade. But didn't make it home with them. Think the name was John Pierre or something like that. Hopefully they will make it home tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-14-2006 04:31 PM
ummmmm I surely did mangle that silversmiths name. It was actually John Primble. The knives are marked with his name on the blade. 12 DWT and a shield of sorts on each side of his name. Any one heard of him? IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 11-15-2006 04:09 AM
from the New Members Forum on posted 11-15-2006 01:38 AM by deejay quote: IP: Logged |
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venus Posts: 282 |
posted 11-18-2006 08:27 AM
All the information I can find on John Primble is for knives and razors. I am wondering if he just made the blades to go in the handles? Which would seem strange for him to have done for butter knives. Plus I see no evidence the blade was made separate from the handle. Have any of you heard any back story on this maker? IP: Logged |
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He has been in the resale business for years and is a wealth of information on lots of things, plus has become a really good friend. And friendship to me is priceless. Thanks for your help Dale.