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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-26-2008 09:23 AM
[01-2705] I thought I'd give folks a little puzzle to ponder while digesting the Thanksgiving fixings (at least those of us who are celebrating Thanksgiving this week).
I purchased these spoons separately at two different yard sales, and thought when I found the 2nd that I had a matching pair. One was marked Aurora on the back, and the other Rogers & Bros, but I thought perhaps the Aurora was a pattern name. But then I looked at them more closely, and found that there were a number of differences.
Unfortunately, the bird in one of the spoons is somewhat worn, but I think you can pick out the subtle differences. I have come up with 15; I will post them at the end of the weekend, but meanwhile, see how many you can find! IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-26-2008 01:37 PM
Hi Doc! Happy Thanksgiving to you too. Just some thoughts to add. Rogers did make a multi-motif pattern with birds similar to your spoons, the pattern name given is called Unique. There also was a Silver Plate company named Aurora that started in 1869 in Aurora, Ill. It eventually was taken over down the road by Rogers. Jersey IP: Logged |
middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 11-28-2008 07:03 PM
I don't know if this is a valid observation, but it appears that new dies were made after a time for the pattern, and the new die maker may have had only a drawing to go by, therefore causing the differences between what are two interpretations of the same pattern. IP: Logged |
Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 11-29-2008 12:56 AM
The pattern is Eastlake, from 1879. The pattern is found with many marks: Rogers and Brittin, Montgomery Ward, Anchor Rogers, Rogers and Hamilton, EC Webster and Tufts. This was a popular pattern made for many years. My guess is that it was available down until 1914. The soup ladle is fairly common, easily found, and quite attractive. IMHE, Eastlake is a fairly easy pattern to collect. There is a lot of it, usually in reasonable condition. From the shear number of servers, my guess is it was a gift item. IP: Logged |
Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 11-29-2008 01:12 AM
Aurora was located in Aurora IL. It ran from sometime in the 1880's until right after WW1. Very little is known about the company. The factory sat on an island in the middle of the Fox River. A flood swept all the records away. The Aurora Historical Society has investigated the firm, and I did what I could to help. The main output was hollow ware, generally smaller table items. The styles are usually Eastlake types. Very nice, well made silver. On flatware, there are two schools of thought. One is that their flatware was made for them by Rogers etc. Davis and Diebel state this as a fact, but I have my doubts. The other is that they bought dies from the Eastern firms when patterns were being discontinued. I lean towards that idea. From the items I have handled, there frequently is a slight difference between the Aurora and the Eastern patterns. So, what I believe happened is that Aurora bought old dies, and had them recut slightly to make them sharper. Then produced the flatware. Aurora seems to have been a maker of high quality, mass marketed silverplate. It seems to have been middle of the market to slightly inexpensive. IP: Logged |
doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-29-2008 09:33 AM
Thank you so much to all, and in particular to Dale for the information, including the pattern name. I am interested in the idea of the die being "recut"; how would this be done exactly? IP: Logged |
doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-30-2008 04:04 PM
This posting started out as a quiz of sorts, but has lead in interesting directions. However, I did promise to list the answers to the 15 differences I found, so here they are:
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-30-2008 04:06 PM
Forgot to mention this previously, but the Rogers spoon is Rogers & Son, not Rogers & Bros. and has a patent date mark of September 21, 1880. IP: Logged |
Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 11-30-2008 06:19 PM
Is that Wm Rogers & Son? D&D do not show Eastlake as having been one of their patterns. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-30-2008 07:10 PM
Just some additional info re the Aurora Silver Company. Walter and David Edward Mulholland were award-winning silversmiths who bought the company in 1915. The company was called Mulholland Brothers. Then in 1924 it became the Mulholland Silver Co. It went out of business in 1934. jersey IP: Logged |
doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-30-2008 07:49 PM
Yes, it is Wm Rogers & Son. I was looking this afternoon on a certain silverware matching site to try to identif the pattern of other plate pieces I recently acquired, and I saw the Eastlake pattern listed under International Silver (the site lumps all prior companies absorbed into International in one location). The pattern shown there does not match these spoons. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-30-2008 08:06 PM
Try the same search & look for the pattern Unique 1876. Jersey IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 11-30-2008 10:33 PM
Turner shows the pattern as Eastlake under Holmes & Edwards, under Wm. Rogers Mfg. he shows a similar pattern called Lyonnaise which actually appears to be Hall, Elton & Co.'s Lyonnaise - because (if this makes any sense) in the "Variations" section, he shows four illustrations of this pattern as Lyonnaise by Wm. Rogers Mfg., which is how it shows up on the large matching service site (casserole spoon?). ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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