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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-11-2008 05:47 PM
  
[26-1673] I've a question about this fork, it's not a EP production, could not find EP on it. Looking at this fork it gives the idea it is a rather old one. I've cleaned it and I think it is silvered, the material for producing this one I don't know. I hope with sending the photo's somebody can give information about this fork. The totally at the right side stamped figure is a big ? to me. I hope it is to recognize and information about factory, period and name of pattern is possible? The length is 8 inches (20,5 cm) It weight about 50 grams. Or are these pseudo marks? IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-12-2008 02:30 AM
About the last question I've my own fantasy theory could it be a standing eagle with two heads. If you turn the photo(and so the mark)45 degrees to the wright side it looks like a standing eagle figure, with two heads, what also has used into pewter stamps in Holland for recognize the city where the pewter article was made. Can this be a theory? Or has this figure another meaning? IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-12-2008 02:35 AM
The last, last question concerning to date a spoon is : "from which period were corporations founded in Great Brittain and did they begin with using the Co. stamp/mark ?". IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-12-2008 10:37 AM
Hi Silverhunter. When you see the letters EP on an object you know it stands for electro-plated. This is a commonly used method of plating silver onto a base metal. However, many objects that are electro-plated do not have the letters EP. What I am saying is when you see the letters EP, you know it is electro-plated. However, if you do not see the letters EP and when there are also no official silver hallmarks, it does not tell you whether it is electro-plated or not. The absence of the EP marking on objects with no official hallmarks is not meaningful. I would expect your spoon is electro-plated. I can not see the markings on your spoon very clearly, but from what I can see it appears that the first two marks are letters - I can not make out the first one but the second one looks like an 'M'; the third mark is an ampersand which is what the '&' symbol is called (it means 'and'); and the last marking looks like it may be a large 'C' and a small 'o' which would be the abreviation for 'company'. By the way, the best words in English to use to describe a layer of silver on top of a base metal is 'silver plated' rather than 'silvered'. The words silvered or silvering are more commonly used to describe a piece of glass with a shiney metal coating such as a mirror. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-12-2008 10:47 AM
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 06-12-2008 12:59 PM
Hi there Kimo, Well hardly ever.. I have picked up a few pieces of French silver cheap, because they had an 'EP' mark on them. Forgive my spelling, but in this case the EP was a maker's mark for Emile Puefocot. I remember because I won a 500 franc bet (cost of the book) on this. Scott, your photo was much more clear then Silverhunter's was, so I could see the "EP" clearly. Thanks as always for running the Forum. Marc IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-12-2008 03:05 PM
Hello Kimo, Thanks again for good information but I knew the meaning of EP. It's a pity that the strange figured stamp doesn't mean anything till now. I agree with the letter M (it's looks like the year letter which is used by London around 1840). The first letter is not to recognize I've never seen such one before. AND the & mark is to recognize for everyone of course. If I look at other English spoons which have certain EP marks on, I mostly recognize two letters the (&) symbol and after that mostly (Co) stamped for company and not corporation (so I was wrong about that). But what I know that after a (&) symbol never stand EP because it is also in my opinion a clear C (also around 1840?) and a letter O with two little stripes under. I think the over sized photo(thanks for trying Scott) gives another (wrong) image to the real letters : Co. Mark, everyone has his own point of few (ideas)about seeing things or recognize letters. So I put this cheap spoon (0.25 euro-cent) away and it gives me a lot of fun! Thank you all for information, silverhunter! IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 06-12-2008 06:58 PM
To my eye the marks appear to be 'h' 'm' '&' 'Co'. I see no reason to assume any composition for this piece, unless the marks can be clearly attributed. [This message has been edited by salmoned (edited 06-12-2008).] IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 06-12-2008 09:04 PM
Hi silverhunter, Yes. you have it.. Fun is where it is at. MArc IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 06-12-2008 11:34 PM
This fork looks like last quarter 19C English silver plate. The marks seem to be H W & Co, a maker's mark deceptively stamped in the manner of English solid silver hallmarks. I do not know the identity of this maker, but I would place a large wager that it was an English manufacturer of plated goods. I have no idea what that other strange stamp signifies, but it is not any kind of silver fineness mark. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-13-2008 11:30 AM
Thanks to you all. Perhaps some day I will find the silverplate company who made this one. Now the only ? stays the symbol. But it was nice to get reactions at the questions from my side. I only have a few EP spoons, therefore I don't have a book with marks or information about them. So I'm helped with your information Salmoned and Paul Lemieux I appreciate that a lot. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 06-13-2008 04:48 PM
For what it's worth, I checked the Mappin book of English platers' marks and didn't find it there. That's been a really handy little book even for someone like me who doesn't do much with plate, and it's widely available online for a very reasonable price. Scott, this newer volume/edition doesn't seem to be in the current library list: George Mappin. EPNS:Electroplated Nickel Silver, Old Sheffield Plate and Close Plate Makers' Marks from 1784. London (etc): Foulsham. 1999, 2006. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-13-2008 05:40 PM
quote: It is now. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-13-2008 07:29 PM
Thanks FWG for doing such a lot of work, I will look for the title I hope they sell it in the store in the centre of the city. The bookshop around here only sell christmas cards the whole year. Not one book about silver to find, so it's a great help I appreciate it a lot, silverhunter! have a nice weekend! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-13-2008 07:34 PM
I've just still one short question is nickle silver looks the same like colour or shine from the outside and in the centre of this fork? I made a little deep cut into the fork but see no difference. There no copper. But if it is a silver one (which I doubt) it's hardly to bow the fork. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-16-2008 09:33 AM
Silver can be electro-plated over many different kinds of base metals in addition to copper. My impression is that nickel based alloys seem to be the most commonly used, but I do not have any data to prove it. Copper is easy to identify because of its color, but other base metals are hard to identify because they are silver colored and they all look similar to me. IP: Logged |
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