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21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-12-2007 09:43 AM A vein of silver may run deep within me. Somewhere far back in my mother's family I find Moultons of northeast Massachusetts, possibly the famed silversmiths. I have some checking to do. More tangibly, my parents both worked for, and in fact met at, the venerable Boston jewelers, Smith, Patterson & Co. They went to work there in 1938. My father left to serve in the Army during WWII and returned to them after the war at which point my mother left to assume domestic duties. I have Smith, Patterson variously located on Washington or Summer Streets in Boston, though I haven't traced them yet in city directories. In the mid 1950s the Boston department store Jordan, Marsh & Co (now Macy's) bought out Smith Patterson and gradually absorbed them into their jewelry department. During one of those last steps my father handed in his notice and left the jewelry business. A surviving business card of my father's lists him as in the watch department. He appears to have also had much experience selling silver. He later gave me all his silver selling booklets, the type that told salespersons how to talk the customers into oyster forks and cream soup spoons in their sterling pattern. He saw that I'd held onto them and made some remark that he'd just meant me to look at them and then dispose of them. To my great present distress I followed my father's admonition and threw them out. Perhaps seeing them brought up sad memories for him over a job he had to leave. During my mother's stay there an elderly woman brought in her sterling to sell. Smith, Patterson gave her the then-going rate for silver scrap, $1 place setting, plus serving, etc. My mother was able to purchase the pieces for the same amount, added to them with her employee discount, and thus acquired her wedding silver, the popular Dominick & Haff pattern, Pointed Antique. This silver saw nightly service on our dinner table well into the 1970s before less formal dining took hold in our house. My father made some small harmonizing serving pieces out of coin silver, hammering them into shape by hand. I can place myself at the silver counter of Boston jewelers Shreve, Crump & Low by age 16 buying additional pieces for my mother as Christmas presents. Regrettably, this family silver appears lost. After my mother's death in 1999 I gave it to my elder brother in trust for his daughter. At the time I was helping him carry his belongings out of the house when it was finally sold; I didn't find any carton heavy enough to have held the silver chest. I believe he sold it to satisfy debts. I've spent the past year or so replicating the set on e-bay and am enjoying the quest to locate unusual place and serving pieces. Thankfully, I'd retained a plated carving set of no particular interest which had the engraved initials of my parents on it, supposedly a custom design of whoever had been the chief engraver for Shreve's in the early 1940s at the time my mother purchased the set. Perhaps someday I'll have my pieces engraved to that design. I have other silver interests as well and hope to post on them soon. Don Matheson Cambridge MA IP: Logged
jersey Posts: 1203 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 04-12-2007 08:03 PM Hello Don! Welcome to the forums. Your family history is fascinating, and at the same time sad. I know how you feel having experienced similar circumstances. The D&H silver set, did that have monograms as well, and what were they? Jersey IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-12-2007 08:13 PM Thanks for the response! I didn't make the point clear at the end of the post but the plated carving set bears the same engraving as was on all the sterling D&H pieces: A large script M flanked by smaller but still capital H's. My parents' names were Hugh and Harriette. The way I look at it the replica set has already gone so far beyond what my mother had in number and types of pieces that it wouldn't precisely be her set anyway, though I'd still like to have had her silver. The little serving pieces my father made represent the real loss. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 04-13-2007 01:20 PM *From WEV's American Silversmith's Family Tree* Project**: Moulton, Abel (1784-) Moulton, Ebenezer Noyes (1768-1824) Moulton, Edward M. (1844-) Moulton, Edward Sherbourne (1778-1855) Moulton, Enoch (1780-Aft 1816) Moulton, Joseph (1744-1816) Moulton, Joseph (1814-1903) Moulton, Joseph (1724-1795) Moulton, Lydia (1757-about 1823) Moulton, Thomas T. (1794-1834) Moulton, William (1720-1793) Moulton, William (1772-1861) IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-16-2007 01:33 PM Many thanks, I'll have to work it through from my known antecedents using the family genealogy. One of my male Stone ancestors married a woman whose maiden name was Moulton and her mother had been a Tilton, or it may have been the other way around, Tilton to Moulton (all from northeast Massachusetts). I'll e-mail my cousin who has the family copy of the Stone genealogy and see if she can trace it and report it back here briefly. IP: Logged
Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 Registered: Jul 2000	posted 04-16-2007 03:26 PM There was a fairly important silver buckle maker in England with the same name, Samuel Moulton. He was apprenticed to Edward Cooke in 1764, but turned over to Samuel Cooke (who was a member of the Musicians Guild but may have been another silver buckle maker) the same day. He finished his apprenticeship with another buckle maker William Harrison in 1773. Worked in Southwark (south side of the Thames so not in the city of London). Certainly still active in 1791 (his signature is on the petion of the buckle trade to the Prince of Wales ,later George IV ). Heal records him as Southwark 1777 - 1796. Any connection ? IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-17-2007 09:42 AM What an intriguing tangent! My 8th great-grandfather Simon Stone and his brother Gregory emigrated from Great Bromley, Essex in 1634. Most of the people with whom they intermarried for the next century or so seem to have had similar backgrounds, i.e., they left England before the middle of the 17th century. I believe this is the case with the Moultons from Massachusetts. A possible connection between the Towle Silver Moultons from Massachusetts and an 18th century London buckle maker opens a tantalizing line of research. IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 Registered: Apr 99	posted 04-17-2007 10:13 AM Sarah, daughter of Caleb and Sarah (Tilton) Moulton, married Isaac, son of Adams and Sarah (Wight) Stone, in 1757. Caleb's relation to the various Moulton silversmiths: Abel Moulton, 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Ebenezer Noyes Moulton, 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Edward M. Moulton, 3rd Cousin 4 Times Removed Edward Sherbourne Moulton, 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Enoch Moulton, 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Joseph Moulton, 3rd Cousin 3 Times Removed Joseph Moulton, 3rd Cousin Once Removed Joseph Moulton, 3rd Cousin Lydia Moulton, 3rd Cousin Once Removed Thomas T. Moulton, 3rd Cousin 3 Times Removed William Moulton (1720-1793), 3rd Cousin William Moulton (1772-1861), 3rd Cousin Twice Removed William Moulton (1851- ), 3rd Cousin 4 times Removed IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-17-2007 10:36 AM Good Gosh! Simon Stone Simon Stone Matthew Stone Adams Stone Isaac Stone Israel Stone Andrew Jackson Stone Harriet Stone, my great-grandmother So yes indeed, I'm descended from the collateral branch of the Moultons--and not a piece of Towle silver to my name! IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 Registered: Apr 99	posted 04-17-2007 04:27 PM Well, just to take this a bit further, I fiddled up all the silversmiths related by blood or marriage to your Israel, son of Isaac and Sarah Stone: Pygan Adams -- 3rd Cousin Once Removed Henry Amadon -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Leander Amadon -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Nelson Temple Arms -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Augustus Edwin Bachelder -- Husband of 4th Cousin Twice Removed Delucena Backus -- 4th Cousin Horace Baldwin Bacon -- Husband of 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Amasa Mason Badger -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Lucius Morgan Badger -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed George Baker -- Husband of 5th Cousin Stephens Baker -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Calvin Stowe Ball -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Calvin Stowe Ball -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Isaiah Lincoln Bangs -- 3rd Cousin Once Removed Edward Prince Banks -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Clement Beecher -- 5th Cousin Once Removed John B. Benjamin -- Husband of 4th Cousin Henry William Bessac -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed William John Bessac -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Alanson Bigelow -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed John Bigelow -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed Flavel Bingham -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Wentworth M. Bixby -- 5th Cousin 4 Times Removed Henry Bliss -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Stephen Waite Bliss -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Stephen Boardman -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Timothy Bonticou -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Zalmon Stone Bostwick -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Charles Henry Bradford -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Charles Brainard -- Husband of 5th Cousin Dwight Hawley Buell -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Jedediah Stark Burdick -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed William Pendleton Burdick -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed William Pendleton Burdick -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Daniel Burnap -- 5th Cousin Ela Burnap -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Edwin Joseph Burritt -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Joseph Burritt -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Joseph Curtiss Burritt -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Amasa Bushnell -- Husband of 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Benjamin Bussey -- 4th Cousin Isaac H. Carey -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Daniel Noble Carrington -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Lewis Cary -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Frederick A. Chaffee -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed John Champlin -- Husband of 4th Cousin Henry Lewis Chapin -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Humiston Chapin -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Arthur Wardwell Clapp -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed A. W. Clark -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Horace G. Clark -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Israel Clark -- Husband of 4th Cousin Joseph Clark -- Husband of 4th Cousin Norman Clark -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Peter G. Clark -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Henry Cogswell -- Husband of 4th Cousin Twice Removed Shubael Conant -- 3rd Cousin Reuben Rice Conn -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Daniel Curtis -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Frederick Curtis -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Lemuel Curtis -- 4th Cousin Lewis Curtis -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Amos Cutler -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Eben Cutler -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Richard Cutler -- 5th Cousin Richard Cutler -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed William Cutler -- 5th Cousin Daniel Rice Dana -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Anthony Davenport -- Husband of 4th Cousin Twice Removed Lemuel Davenport -- Husband of 4th Cousin Thomas Aspinwall Davis -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Anson Dickinson -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Amos Doolittle -- 5th Cousin Francis Samuel Draper -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Josiah Draper -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed Rufus Davenport Dunbar -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Benjamin Franklin Edmunds -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Benjamin Edwards -- Husband of 3rd Cousin John Aaron Elliot -- 5th Cousin David Ellsworth -- 3rd Cousin Artemus Osgood Fairchild -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed George Wilson Fairchild -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Joseph Fairchild -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Robert Fairchild -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Charles Farley -- 4th Cousin Once Removed John Foster Fellows -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Rufus King Foss -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Benjamin C. Frobisher -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed John Gardiner -- 4th Cousin James Francis Gault -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Samuel Gilbert -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Daniel Goddard -- 3rd Cousin Once Removed Luther Goddard -- 3rd Cousin Luther D. Goddard -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Nicholas Goddard -- 3rd Cousin Parley Goddard -- 3rd Cousin Once Removed Allyn Goodwin -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Giles Curtis Goodwin -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Horace Goodwin -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Benjamin Hanks -- 4th Cousin Abraham Hews -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Robert Hewes Hinckley -- 2nd Cousin Twice Removed Epaphras Hinsdale -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Horace Seymour Hinsdale -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Eliakim Hitchcock -- Husband of 5th Cousin Nelson Holland -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed David Hotchkiss -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Cyrus Hovey -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Benoni Howell -- 5th Cousin Silas White Howell -- 5th Cousin Jonathan Perkins Hoyt -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Daniel B Johnson -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed George Bond Jones -- Half 4th Cousin Twice Removed John Jones -- Husband of Half 4th Cousin John Belknap Jones -- Half 4th Cousin Once Removed Alva Kimball -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Leverett Kimball -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Lewis B. Kimball -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed Wallace Lowe Kimball -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Ashbel King -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Julius King -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Lyman King -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Walter King -- 3rd Cousin Once Removed Walter Burnham King -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Daniel Perry Kingsbury -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed George W. Kingsbury -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed John Burgis Kirby -- Husband of 4th Cousin Twice Removed Samuel Hubbard Kirby -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed David Fisk Knowles -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Isaac Lewis -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Clark Lindsley -- 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed William Little -- 5th Cousin William Coffin Little -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed James Locke -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed David Main -- 5th Cousin Amasa Manley -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Ezra Lewis Manning -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Clarendon Maynard -- Half 4th Cousin Twice Removed James Ambrose Merrill -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Richardson Minor -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Samuel Phillips Mitchell -- 5th Cousin Once Removed William Mitchell -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Charles Thomas Mixer -- Husband of 3rd Cousin 3 Times Removed John Little Moffatt -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed Hazen Morse -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Henry Dutton Morse -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Abel Moulton -- 5th Cousin Ebenezer Noyes Moulton -- 5th Cousin Edward M. Moulton -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Edward Sherbourne Moulton -- 5th Cousin Enoch Moulton -- 5th Cousin Joseph Moulton -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Joseph Moulton -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Joseph Moulton -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Lydia Moulton -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Thomas T. Moulton -- 5th Cousin Once Removed William Moulton -- 5th Cousin William Moulton -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Asa Munger -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed Austin Erastus Munger -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed James Elisha Munger -- Half 4th Cousin 3 Times Removed Perley Munger -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed Sylvester Munger -- Husband of Half 4th Cousin Twice Removed David Beach Nichols -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Phineas North -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Enoch Hoyt Nutter -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed George Olmsted -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Nathaniel Olmsted -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed Jonathan Packard -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed John Page -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Jacob Peabody Palmer -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Julius Aboyneau Palmer -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Thomas Pearson -- Husband of 5th Cousin Erastus Stanton Pendleton -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Benjamin Pierpont -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Joseph Fitch Pitkin -- Husband of 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Frederick Wadsworth Porter -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Jordan Post -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed John Potter -- 4th Cousin Henry Prescott -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Frank James Preston -- 5th Cousin 4 Times Removed George Lafayette Preston -- 5th Cousin 4 Times Removed George Lafayette Preston -- 5th Cousin 5 Times Removed Lafayette Washington Preston -- Husband of 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed William Sanford Preston -- 5th Cousin 4 Times Removed Samuel B. Purple -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Twice Removed George Washington Putnam -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Isaac Newton Rawson -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Joseph Reeves -- Husband of 5th Cousin Theodore Francis Robbins -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed George Payne Rose -- Half 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Alexander Rumrill -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed James Bliss Rumrill -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Thomas Russell -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed Harvey Sadd -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Joel Sayre -- 5th Cousin John Sayre -- 5th Cousin Alvah Skinner -- Husband of 5th Cousin Thomas Skinner -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed Edward A. Slader -- 4th Cousin Once Removed James Spencer -- Husband of 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Thomas Sedgwick Steele -- Husband of 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Phineas Stevens -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Barton Stillman -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Paul Stillman -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Simeon N. Story -- Husband of 3rd Cousin Once Removed Dwight Foster Stow -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Najah Taylor -- Husband of 4th Cousin Twice Removed Daniel B. Thompson -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Henry H. Thompson -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Isaac Thompson -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Isaac Thompson -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Charles Lewis Tiffany -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Anthony Francis Towle -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Edward Bass Towle -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Henry Towle -- 5th Cousin Once Removed William Anthony Towle -- 5th Cousin Twice Removed Daniel Treadwell -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Isaac Dodge Treadwell -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Andrew Cunningham Trott -- 5th Cousin George Trott -- 4th Cousin Once Removed John Proctor Trott -- 5th Cousin Jonathan Trott -- 5th Cousin Jonathan Trott -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Peter Trott -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Cyrus King Wentworth -- 4th Cousin Twice Removed Bridge Wheat -- Husband of 5th Cousin Twice Removed Philo White -- Husband of 5th Cousin Ebenezer Whiting -- Husband of 4th Cousin Once Removed John Henry Whitlock -- 5th Cousin 4 Times Removed Lemuel Whitney -- Husband of Half 4th Cousin Once Removed Wallace Benjamin Wilcox -- 5th Cousin 3 Times Removed Amasa Winslow -- 4th Cousin Once Removed Adna V. Wiswell -- 5th Cousin Once Removed Hollis Addison Witt -- Husband of 5th Cousin Once Removed John Hoyt Woodward -- 3rd Cousin Twice Removed Now you can get busy finding an example by each -- make a heck of a display. IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 04-24-2007 10:45 AM Talk about designer genes! I was aware of the art/architecture/building/engineering component of my family, the wheat amongst much, much, chaff, but this all, especially Tiffany, comes as quite a surprise. My fictive Museum of American Silver has just had to grow considerably. IP: Logged
21Kimball Posts: 34 Registered: Apr 2007	posted 06-30-2009 11:07 AM I'm also descended from the Howland family of Plymouth (actually from Arthur) not John who was the Mayflower passenger. John's descendants include a string of 18th Century John and Jabez Gorhams. Am I thinking that there is another bunch of silver people in my family? IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-03-2009 02:33 PM Kimball21, This is a very interesting thread. I have some Stone ancestors, and I recently was sent a history of Stones in Eden, Vermont where my father grew up, but those Stones moved up to Vermont in the early 1800s from a different part of Massachusetts from the Northeast. However, there could be a link between us. I once had a friend who was a Kimball and he told me that all Kimballs in America are descended from one Kimball who came here from England in the 1600s. I'll dig back into that story of the Stones to see if there might be a connection. middletom IP: Logged

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