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Bitsy

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iconnumber posted 02-09-2011 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bitsy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a coin silver spoon marked J. Rafel that I believe is a New Orleans maker. Does anyone have any information on this? Also, any books that may contain information New orleans silver makers and sellers.

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iconnumber posted 02-09-2011 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bitsy,

Because this is a collaborative website of people enthusiastic about what they collect, questions just "dropped in cold" tend to have to wait awhile for a response. The flashing message in the yellow panel is to encourage newcomers to share a bit of information about themselves and their interests. Once that's done, responses are quicker. Good luck.

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Bitsy

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iconnumber posted 02-09-2011 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bitsy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I saw that. I live in New Orleans and have begun collecting silverware made by New Orleans makers and re-sellers. I am a Civil War enthusiast and when I found a pair of silver salad tongs marked Hyde and Goodrich, who also sold Civil War buttons, I was hooked! I then found a Schooler piece, some Griswold silver, a Buckley spoon and now this J. Rafle, which I believe is a new Orleans maker or re-seller. I also collect various antique silver items that appeal to me.

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iconnumber posted 02-10-2011 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums.

Please post photos of the spoon and the spoon's marks. It will help members to begin to think about your inquiry.

Also I am sure members would like to know more about your collection of silver. When you have the time please consider starting a new post about the silver in your collection.

We have several other silverphile members from New Orleans. They haven't posted in a while so I am hoping this will bring them out of the shadows.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 02-10-2011 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the Forum.

Crescent City Silver: An Exhibition of Nineteenth-Century New Orleans Silver by Mackie and Parrot is a good book on New Orleans silversmiths and is available on Amazon or at the Historic New Orleans Collection on Royal Street.

You can also go to the “American Silver before Sterling” section of this website and use the search function to find some interesting posts concerning New Orleans silversmiths and other southern silversmiths.

Visits to antiques shops in your area that sell silver should also be a way to meet dealers that are familiar with New Orleans silver and they are always eager to share their knowledge.

Also a “saved search” in the coin silver section of eBay will show interesting pieces from time to time.

I would love to see some of your collection.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 02-10-2011 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I neglected to provide any information about Joseph Rafel and of course that was one of your questions.

The information above came from the Crescent City Silver book and is a sample of what it covers. This book was complied in 1980 some 30 years ago (my how time flies) and I suspect that subsequent research with the aid of the internet would reveal errors and omissions. Nevertheless it is a great starting point.

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iconnumber posted 02-10-2011 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I catalogue silver for an auction house in New Orleans, and about a year ago I did some research on Rafel for a pair of sugar tongs of his. My feeling is that he was a retailer rather than a practicing silversmith. Here is my bio of him from the catalogue description:


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Jospeh Rafel (1814-aft. 1880), working New Orleans 1850-1866

Joseph Rafel was born in Bonn, Germany on January 28, 1814. The circumstances of his arrival in the United States are not known, but he married in New York, on September 10, 1848, to Sarah Ruden, daughter of Moses A. Ruden and Rebecca S. Gomperts, both Sephardic Jews from Suriname. Rafel's marriage strongly suggests that he, too, was of Jewish descent. He had established himself in New Orleans by 1850, where he appears in the 1850 census with his wife, child, and mother- and sister-in-law. He is listed in the 1851 New Orleans Directory with a loan office under the St. Charles Hotel; a newspaper report of the following year records its destruction by fire. The contents included jewelry, guns and musical instruments, indicating that Rafel was also working as a dealer in fancy goods. He is next listed in the 1861 city directory as a jeweler at 56 Camp Street, the same address as is listed on a surviving invoice of 1862 (to the notorious Benjamin Butler!) and a New Orleans Daily Delta advertisement of 1866. Rafel left New Orleans - and the fancy goods trade - by 1870, when he appears back in New York City working as a stockbroker. The date of his death has not yet been discovered, but it was sometime after 1880 and before 1900, when his widow, Sarah, appears as a head of household in the New York census; she died on August 21, 1913.


I should also mention that Crescent City Silver was recently reprinted (though not, alas, updated) and so copies should be readily available as ahwt notes.

[This message has been edited by blakstone (edited 02-10-2011).]

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Bitsy

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iconnumber posted 02-11-2011 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bitsy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to everyone for the help, it is really appreciated. I will stop by the H.N.O.C. tomorrow and pick up a copy of Crescent City Silver.

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