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nzgrover Posts: 4 |
posted 12-29-2011 07:21 PM
  
Hi, I'm trying to identify a tankard that was given to me as a Christmas gift by my Mother. It was her Fathers but she has no further information about it. I'm interested in what it might be made out of, where it's from, and any other information really. I've attached some images. 4 MADE IN ENGLAND M&P Ltd 2 6 2 IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-29-2011 08:07 PM
I am completely guessing...
The metal looks like aluminum or pewter or bronze. Is the clear bottom glass or plastic? IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-29-2011 08:29 PM
Found on the internet: quote: IP: Logged |
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nzgrover Posts: 4 |
posted 12-30-2011 12:23 AM
Thanks for the information so far! Are they are well known manufacturer? The bottom is glass. I'm pretty sure it's not aluminum; it looks a bit shiny in the photo's due to flash I guess. It's actually a dull grey colour. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 12-30-2011 05:16 AM
I can't help further with the maker - Scott seems to have hit that nail on the head. I thought it might be worth adding that glass bottomed pewter tankards are quite usual in England. As a child I thought they were designed to help you see where you were going if walking and drinking simultaneously. In more mature years I came to realise that the glass let you check that your beer was not cloudy - not an issue these days but it was when beer was kept in wooden barrels under variable conditions. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 12-30-2011 06:46 AM
Either pewter or britannia metal. The latter can be silver plated, so check recesses for traces of old electroplating. Such mugs were made over a very long period of time, and with the glass bottom, I'd guess late 19th century onwards, most likely first half of the 20th. IP: Logged |
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nzgrover Posts: 4 |
posted 12-30-2011 09:45 PM
Thanks all! Very interesting. Any ideas what the numbers in the mark might mean? Is there anywhere I could go to get more information about the manufacturer or when they were made? IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 12-31-2011 01:31 PM
For English made articles to be sold in the USA they needed to be marked “England” from 1891 and “Made in England” from 1921 so the tankard would seem to be post 1921. The mark would have been placed on every piece made as it was not necessarily known at the time of manufacture which items would be exported. Of course, the mark could have been used before it was a legal requirement, but the simple form of the handle seems to me consistent with a date in the 1920s or 1930s. The stamped numbers probably represent a pattern or catalogue number and perhaps something like a batch number or a quality grading. They might even include a clue to the date of manufacture, but I doubt whether anyone can now interpret them. I don’t know any more about May and Padmore than can be found in an internet search but you might get further help from a forum or website aimed at pewter (and/or Britannia metal) collectors. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 01-01-2012 01:14 PM
Could the "Made in England" mark have been a paper label that came off, rather than a stamp? IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-01-2012 01:42 PM
Polly I am not sure whether US law specified the manner of marking. My comment was from memory and I cannot quickly trace the original source of my information. On metal ware the practice seems to have been to punch the "Made in England" and on a lot of pottery it is also included on the piece together with the maker's mark. However I am sure there must have been items where it was more practical to use a paper label. When I said the mark would appear on every piece made, this was not an invariable rule. I see it on many items that were not exported, but silver, for example, only seems to have had the extra mark when it was destined for export. Anyhow, in this case, unless my eyes deceive me, the tankard is stamped "Made in England" and therefore likely to be post 1921. However, a contributor your side of the pond may have a better grasp of the detail of the US requirements. Happy New Year David IP: Logged |
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nzgrover Posts: 4 |
posted 01-01-2012 02:27 PM
Thanks all! I'll see if I can find more on a pewter site as suggested. If I do find more, I'll update here. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 01-01-2012 04:09 PM
Required labeling of the country of manufacture started in England in 1887 several years before the U.S requirement. Some things labeled “Made in Germany” may have been made for the English market and not the U.S. market. The McKinley Tariff Act of 1890 started the labeling requirement in the U.S. Initially the label was required to be permanent, but somewhere along the line the permanent nature was dropped and removable labeling became the normal method. A permanent label most likely costs the manufacturer more to use and the change may have been simply a cost savings measure. Unfortunately the removal of the label on some items creates a real problem in dating as many newly manufactured items are really good reproductions. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-02-2012 04:35 PM
Thanks AHWT I see that I may have been guilty of perpetuating a myth in saying that the “Made in” prefix was a new requirement in 1921. However it was around this time that the prefix appears to have come into general use here. It seems most likely to be found on post WW1 items and unlikely on pre WW1 items, so still points to the tankard being from the 1920s or 1930s. I had not realised that we Brits were the first to try this type of protectionism so am glad I was not tempted into some snide comment about it! And nzgrover - good luck with your further research. IP: Logged |
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