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ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-13-2012 01:42 AM [26-2293] I've run across this mark several times and it's sometimes ID'd as a Thiery mark and sometimes as a Tiffany mark... can anyone help? I don't know why the image isn't working but the Flicker link works... I entered the img tags as illustrated in the guide... can't get Photobucket to upload my photo, has anyone used Flicker before? By the way, not really new but haven't posted for a while... I collect American Sterling Souvenir Spoons and have for over 40 years. If anyone has any questions about American (or Canadian) souvenir spoons I'll be happy to answer them if I can. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-13-2012 08:43 AM Flickr is not recommended for several reasons. Here are just a few: Flickr doesn't make it easy to post on another site. Flickr doesn't want you to share the photo on another site. They want you to direct visitors to their site to see the photos. This way they get to more deeply data mine the visitor and get to advertise to the visitor. Flickr can be made to work if you are technical enough to know how to defeat what they do to keep you from posting the photo on another site(such as the SSF). We don't data mine our visitors & members but we could. For example, some of the information you left behind is that you are located in the LA area, your ISP is Verizion, you use a Macintosh, Mac OS X 10.4, Firefox version 3.6.28, etc. Since Verizon is your ISP you could use the online storage they provide but it is not as easy as Photobucket. Maybe one of our members who use a MAC might be able to give some Photobucket tips. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-13-2012 03:32 PM This post about Souvenir Spoons may be of intrest: Souvenir Spoons -- forum or not? IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-13-2012 10:56 PM Scott, How do I prevent people from Data Mining what's posted??? Kat IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-14-2012 10:21 AM What do you mean by data mining? Remember anything posted publicly on the Internet can be read by anyone anywhere. We do have private forums (i.e., the Silver Caucus Rooms) in these forums only those with permission may read the contents of a private forum. Data mining is done in lots of ways. It is a very large non-silver topic. Knowing what it is you mean by data mining will help narrow my response. IP: Logged
dragonflywink Posts: 993 Registered: Dec 2002	posted 05-16-2012 12:52 AM I've seen that mark a few times before too, don't believe I've ever found the manufacturer - was also hoping someone might know. Suppose it bears a resemblance to Tiffany's Columbian Exposition mark, but it doesn't look like any Tiffany mark I've seen - they didn't make many souvenir spoons, and those I've seen have been easily identifiable. Not sure what a Thiery mark looks like, but when I've seen this mark identified, it's usually (incorrectly, I believe) attributed to A.F. Towle or Thomae. Been a while since I've had one, but seem to recall that the ones I've had were for Midwest or Western states - perhaps a small manufacturer from that area of the country? ~Cheryl IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-16-2012 03:16 AM WOW! I may have actually found an answer... ... look in the lower right corner. They ID the mark as a Tiffany mark. Kat IP: Logged
bascall Posts: 1629 Registered: Nov 99	posted 05-16-2012 08:31 AM The USPTO registration for this mark records that its first use in commerce was in 1900: The mark with the questionable attribution does not have an ampersand. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-16-2012 09:51 AM IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-16-2012 02:39 PM True, there are some differences but I believe the similarities outweigh the differences... it certainly doesn't look like any of the Thiery marks I've found. So I'm inclined to think Tiffany... unfortunately I no longer have the spoon the mark is from and I don't remember what the spoon looked like... Thiery marks... Kat IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 05-16-2012 05:33 PM My vote is not Tiffany. There are too many substantive differences and Tiffany was very careful in the design of their markings. My thought is someone who was trying to suggest to people that it was Tiffany, but made it different enough that they could not get sued for trademark infringement. For example, it is also very similar to, but not the same as the Edward Todd marking and also the Thiery marking. I see this marking as also likely containing the letter "I" given the way the central vertical line rises above the "T" crossbar. IP: Logged
dragonflywink Posts: 993 Registered: Dec 2002	posted 05-19-2012 01:23 AM Certainly bears a strong resemblance, but without the ampersand and with that definite extension above the crossbar, seems pretty unlikely as Tiffany to me, or any of the other companies mentioned. Has anyone seen any Tiffany silver with that trademark? Can't recall ever running across it, would like to see an example - don't find it in a quick look through Carpenter, or in Dr. Hood's book. Expanding on bascall's information - posting the full info from the Trademark Office below; seems to describe a pretty wide range of items it might have been used on. Registration for the same trademark, in a circle, was filed in 1976 for lighters (now dead), noting first use that year. Seems to have appeared as a decorative element on a series of lacquer lighters, also used on them as a manufacturer's mark, along with an additional 'TIFFANY & CO.' mark. Found a few other registrations, too. Also found a Denver souvenir spoon, with the unknown mark, posted elsewhere a couple of years ago, by someone looking for ID (Tiffany suggested). ~Cheryl IP: Logged
Richard Kurtzman Moderator Posts: 768 Registered: Aug 2000	posted 05-19-2012 09:44 AM ElfKat, Please show an image of the entire spoon. IP: Logged
dragonflywink Posts: 993 Registered: Dec 2002	posted 05-19-2012 12:57 PM State Capitol, Denver, CO spoon: Tiffany mark on circa 1970s-80s lighter and packaging: Thanks for the edit, Scott! ~Cheryl IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-19-2012 05:51 PM quote: Originally posted by Richard Kurtzman: ElfKat, Please show an image of the entire spoon. Sorry, I can't... the mark photo is from around 2007 and, although I had the spoon then, I've since sold it and I lost the other photos of the spoon in a HD crash... and I don't remember which spoon it was! Unfortunately I've bought and sold so many spoons on eBay over the last eight years or so that I've lost track. I've been slowly selling my own collection and I've bought spoons to photograph their marks and then sold some those again. I usually take a full set of photos of all the spoons - front, back, closeups and marks - but I lost many of my earlier photos when the 2nd HD in my computer went byebye a few years ago. I had the mark photos on one of the other HD's and, like a bozo, I hadn't backed everything up... and, unfortunately, much of the information on the HD was unrecoverable... Kat IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 05-19-2012 05:53 PM quote: Originally posted by dragonflywink: State Capitol, Denver, CO spoon: NEAT!!!! Now I'll have to search for this spoon!!!! After seeing this spoon I'm tempted to think that the spoon I had with the mark was also a Denver spoon but I'm just not sure!!! Kat IP: Logged
ElfKat Posts: 33 Registered: Apr 2011	posted 11-13-2012 07:10 PM OK, I've now been told by someone (not in this forum) that this is a Thiery & Co. mark. Anyone know anything about Thiery & Co.???? IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 11-13-2012 07:21 PM What makes you think they are correct? IP: Logged
salmoned Posts: 336 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 11-16-2012 04:25 AM I suspect the correct reading of the mark may be "I T Co". IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 11-16-2012 06:23 PM Or even T.I. Company. Perhaps it was one of the many small novelty companies that were involved in either making or distributing of silver souvenier spoons back in the day? IP: Logged

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