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21Kimball

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iconnumber posted 12-05-2012 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21Kimball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some five or so years later, having acquired a total of 81 pieces in 9 major variants, with a number of more minor examples of these reed & Barton grecian teasets, I've developed mobility issues that may mean moving from my current apartment and now seek to donate the collection outright if a willing institution can be found. The historical society in Taunton MA, home of Reed & Barton was quite interested but do not have an inch of space to spare. A major New England regional organization showed no interest in finally receiving the set after six month's communication, citing "no history of use" as their criterion. I am loathe to break up the set, and do not wish to be troubled with reselling it anyway. Accordingly, I am looking to donate it outright to some museum, etc. While I cannot offer accompanying funding, I should be able to pay for shipping, etc. i am hoping someone here will have some suggestions on potential recipients.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 12-05-2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a generous offer and I very much hope that something works out.

A couple of things to keep in mind as you go forward - the first of which you are already running into - is that for a museum to accept something they have to commit to curate and safely store/display/protect the objects from the time they accept them and into the indefinite future which can be very expensive since most of them are stuffed to the rafters with objects they do not have room to display or store. At the same time most of them are struggling to stay afloat from year to year and so they wind up declining most of what is offered to them unless it is on their list of 'must haves' to fill in their collection. It is simply much too expensive for them to have to build more storage buildings or enlarge their display galleries and then care for things indefinitely. I think you are taking the right approach by talking to museums that may see your collection as something that could be in their primary area of interest.

The second point to consider is that with very few exceptions museums engage in something called 'deaccessioning'. This is where the museum either trades your gifts for objects that they would rather have to fill in their specific collection, or they simply sell your things when they do not consider them to be central and essential to their collection. They do this to raise funds to pay for their operating costs and to purchase things they really want. Once a person gives something to a museum they no longer have any say in what the museum does with it and most museums don't think twice about deaccesioning objects. The majority of museums are very ethical and will tell a person if they do not wish to accept something, such as the ones you have already spoken with, and that gets you back to my first point.

As I say, I very much hope it works out for you to keep this collection together and that it finds a willing museum so that it can be appreciated by all who are interested but please do keep this background in mind.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 12-05-2012).]

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 12-05-2012 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is indeed a very generous offer. I hope your silver finds a happy home.

I also hope our resident curator chimes in with some thoughts. In the meantime, I would add these comments to Kimo's post.

Most museums, and those that are members of the AAM, subscribe to a code of ethics that includes procedures related to deaccessioning materials. My understanding (and this is a variation on Kimo's point) is that they only apply funds raised by the sale of a deaccessioned object to the acquisition of other objects -- NOT to operations. This has been the point of several controversies over the past few years.

Objects that are donated outright to museums (say, as a named gift in a will...not by donors going through the thoughtful process that you are pursuing) may or may not be formally accessioned. If they are not accessioned, they may be sold outright, with the proceeds going to general funds (operations or whatever). If they are accessioned, the museum formally accepts them into the collection, which implies certain curatorial protections. Objects that are considered for deaccessioning go through a formal review process, through internal curatorial staff and typically through a trustee commitee before a final determination is made.

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21Kimball

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iconnumber posted 12-06-2012 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21Kimball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since my mother's death in 1999 I have been dealing with various family collections, successfully until the recent refusal of the silver. Two quick examples: my father's WWII material including photos from Ft. Benning to Berlin went to the Library of Congress Veterans History Project. I was able to find a home for my mother's 1943 Better Homes & Gardens cookbook with wartime rationing recipes at the Schlesinger Library at Radcliffe.

After attending a holiday party 2-3 years ago at someone's Victorian townhouse absolutely stuffed with 35 years worth of Brimfield finds with another decade of ebay accretions I left shaking my head and thinking this guy better have a game plan. No collection would likely take all his things, and selling that much at auction at one time would likely yield very little. I've heard nothing but horror stories about people leaving collections to museums without prior agreements so began the process of dealing with the silver and other items.

I've placed myself in an objective position and am weighing factors of specialized storage, cataloging and digitization expenses, and possible conservation at some point for whatever museum(s) may accept the collection. Sadly, a museum devoted to New England silver remains but just a dream. The obverse of that is that general art museums have little silver on view, with most in storage, and not available to scholars without sometimes a lengthy access process.

So the questions then become: Does mass-produced 19th century holloware have any place in a museum? Would examples of this collection (along with those of the 1895 Barbour grape hollowware which I've also collected and for which I'm seeking a home)logically form part of a potential exhibition on the grape motif in 19th Century American silver? Does the theme and variations of the Reed & Barton create an especial interest for silver researchers (along with the multiplicity of of the Barbour items in the grape motif, separate post to follow)?

Quick close: Photos of both sets are on my facebook profile [snip], and can be uploaded to my Flickr account for review by potential recipients. It wouldn't bother me at all to see the collection(s) split although I doubt if this silver as plated ware has any resale value but may serve some useful purpose to trade amongst other museum/collections.


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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 12-06-2012 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many old towns and cities have historical societies or small local museums that feature local interest objects. I took a quick look on the web and found there is one in Taunton, Massachusetts called the Old Colony Historical Society. They seem to be a non-profit organization and have their own historical building erected in 1852) where they have a research library and exhibit objects that show the history of Taunton and that is open to the public.

I have absolutely no connection with them and no idea as to whether they are the kind of organization to which you would want to entrust your collection, but I do think you might want to look into them to see if this might be a solution since Reed and Barton manufactured in Taunton since 1824. Many times smaller places like this can be much more enthusiastic about accepting donations of such objects than larger museums might be.

Just a thought.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 12-08-2012).]

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21Kimball

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iconnumber posted 12-07-2012 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21Kimball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kimo:
I took a quick look on the web and found there is one in Taunton, Massachusetts called the Old Colony Historical Society. They seem to be a non-profit organization and have their own historical building erected in 1852) where they have a research library and exhibit objects that show the history of Taunton and that is open to the public.



Kimo, alas The Old Colony Historical Society was the first place I looked several years ago, and spoke on the phone after an on-site tour with a docent, with their then-curator who affirmed their interest but reported sadly that they didn't have an inch of space to spare for storage, much less display. Their display of Reed & Barton silver is confined to a small alcove at the rear of the second floor.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 12-07-2012 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you can find a home for them.

Have you taken thorough photographs and assembled documentation? That way, if the collection does end up broken up, at least there will be a record of your work for future scholars and collectors.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2012 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post pictures of your tea sets? I would love to see them - if you don't take pictures maybe a friend would help. It might spur interest in some museum's curator's mind that looks at this web site.
I should not worry about your collector friend being surrounded by more than 35 years of finds. I suspect that is happiness to him.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-08-2012 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
21Kimball,

Please see How to Post Photos.

Please post properly sized photos into this thread. Please don't link to albums or refer to another site.

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21Kimball

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iconnumber posted 12-29-2012 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21Kimball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, the original post on this topic was moved to the silverplate forum where it has quite a few illustrations, but I don't have posting privileges there so couldn't amend it, but needed to start a new (though redundant) thread. [please read the Guidelines to learn how to post in other forums]

I do have comprehensive photos of all these Reed & Barton pieces as well as a complete inventory including all marks. Since these photos were taken with disposable cameras, I'm thinking of re-shooting now that I've had my Nikon put back in order, but am wondering if B&W would be better than color. I would probably then mount them on a Flickr account but most certainly respect the guidelines here not to link to it.

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