Central European (?) with lion and lothige mark

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RedTrilobite Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 2017	posted 12-10-2017 10:56 PM Hi, I collect primarily Ming and Qing antique Chinese furniture and artifacts. I used to go house to house in the 80's and 90's picking stuff up in China. But, I enjoy all antiques. I am now reviewing a family estate and trying to identify and date what I have. Some I will keep for my daughter, and some I will not. The things for my daughter need the proper story. So, I am reading up silver, which comprises a portion of the items. The first item I am having difficulty in identifying is this cup. It is silver, about 7 cm tall. It has two marks on the bottom - a lion passant and what I believe is a Lothige number "12." From my research on this site, this might be German. But, I would appreciate any help in identifying the origin and date. The Photos are below. Thank you!! [This message has been edited by RedTrilobite (edited 12-11-2017).] IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 12-11-2017 01:20 PM Hi and welcome to the forum, Redtrilobite! The best way to get a good response is to follow the forum guidelines which ask for new folks here to please briefly introduce themselves to the others here by mentioning their areas of interest in silver and what they are trying to learn about their piece of silver. best regards, Kimo, Contributing Editor IP: Logged
RedTrilobite Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 2017	posted 12-11-2017 09:08 PM Hi, I just edited my post to include some introduction but, it did not seem to change anything. And, I have been trying o view and submit photos but, I only see text. I am sure that I am doing something wrong but can not figure out what it is exactly. quote: Originally posted by Kimo: Hi and welcome to the forum, Redtrilobite! The best way to get a good response is to follow the forum guidelines which ask for new folks here to please briefly introduce themselves to the others here by mentioning their areas of interest in silver and what they are trying to learn about their piece of silver. best regards, Kimo, Contributing Editor IP: Logged
RedTrilobite Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 2017	posted 12-11-2017 09:12 PM Hi, sorry, I am just learning to navigate this. I just tried to post an edit of my initial post but it didn't upload. And I can't view the photos that I posted. I follow the instructions and posted on your photo forum. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 12-11-2017 09:24 PM We see your posts an photos ....sounds like its something at your end. If you want help please explain your steps and the resulting error or failure. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-12-2017 01:48 PM take a picture full resolution. Cut everything away but the lion. Use all the size available for the hallmark and drop everythjing else. Picture taken directly fokus not this angle. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-12-2017 01:49 PM take a picture of loin - stright forward not the angle. Cut everything else away - use all available space for just the lion. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-12-2017 01:51 PM take a picture of lion. stright forward no angle. Use all available space for just the lion. IP: Logged
agphile Posts: 798 Registered: Apr 2008	posted 12-12-2017 02:01 PM I think the problem may be that when you submit a reply or an edit, your browser returns you to the forum page you were on and which it has saved. If you then refresh the link you should get the new page with your post. Looks as if Hose had the same problem. IP: Logged
RedTrilobite Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 2017	posted 12-13-2017 12:47 AM Hi, I tried in a different browser. Works better in explorer than firefox. I can view the photos. Here is the lion Here is the "12." IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2334 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 12-13-2017 08:00 AM As you suggest one possibility for the number 12 is that it represents the purity standard for .750. The 12 represents 12 parts silver out of 16 parts total. Germany & Prussia [12 Loth] used this standard. The lion could represent the town where the silver beaker was made, but none of my books show such a mark. I am sorry I do not have more information for you. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 12-13-2017 10:04 AM quote: .... Works better in explorer than firefox..... Firefox is my primary browser ...no problems. I suspect you are having an issue with one of your Plug-ins or add-ons.... try FF in safe mode (restart firefox addons disabled). And if it works in Safe mode, then re-start FF and try disabling the Plug-ins or add-ons one at a time until you find the problem Plug-in or add-on. Also make sure your Firefox is up to date. IP: Logged
RedTrilobite Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 2017	posted 12-13-2017 08:24 PM Thank you AHWT, German - Prussian seems like a strong possibility considering the origin of the family. I found this site of relevant marks that I will have to search through over the weekend... http://silberpunze.freehost.ag/ And yes, FF plugins are possibly an issue. My phone FF has no problem. But, cannot remove plugins as they are transfer programs essential for my work. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-14-2017 02:21 PM The lion is a city mark. The beaker is 1850 to 1900. So we know age. There a a large number of lions in germany. And in that aspect we could also search in Austria, Hungaria and Poland. Its difficuld as mark changes over years. The one closest i have found is to old.Its from the first half of 16 century (1600-1650) so thats not the same. But that mark is from Lüneburg. Theo does not have that mark at his site. And there are many lions. However I found the 16 century in Rosenberg city Lüneburg. I would guess that Lüneburg would be a good guess. Could be others have more books or a newer version of Rosenberg. IP: Logged

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