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buddman Posts: 3 |
posted 04-24-2018 12:41 PM
Hello forum members. I am based in London, and recently came across a pair of silver serving spoons here that are not English - and after many hours trawling the net trying to find the maker, I have not found him. They are onlymarked "US" in a lozenge as well as the number 13. Its very difficult to search for "hallmark US" as you just get every American silversmith. That said, I suspect they are American coin silver based on the design and the fact they are formed from stamped silver. Where would be an appropriate place for me to post photos in the hope someone might recognise them? IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 04-24-2018 02:16 PM
Hi Buddman, welcome to the forum. Could you please take a moment and click on the link in the big green box that is at the top of every page - the link that says "To successfully join in, you must know the following!" and read through the instructions there. In particular could you please add to your question a response to the part that says: "In your first post: 2.Post a picture As a beginning response, there is no such thing as American hallmarks as there has been relatively lax oversight on silver purity, unlike the UK. Most American makers added various non-hallmark markings, usually including ones indicating silver purity and maker, and sometimes the retail store added their own. Also, early American silver that is often made from so called 'coin silver' is usually not stamped out - it is hand forged, hammered, and planished. The purity of the silver in so called 'coin silver' is normally anywhere between 80 percent and 95 percent with most of it more in the range of 90 percent, give or take a couple of percent one way or the other. By comparison, Sterling is 92.5 percent exactly. Once you get into the Victorian era most silver is die forged and hand finished. Good clear photos of the overall pieces of silver and also any markings on it are an absolute must since there are sop many different markings on silver and many have similar looks to them. Also, there are forged markings on some silver, not just American but every other kind as well including British. Seeing the object is just as important as seeing the markings. There is a very large amount of silver plated American silver as well and the lack of any advertised silver purity on an object can mean that it is plated, though not always, especially with early American silver. Thanks, IP: Logged |
buddman Posts: 3 |
posted 04-24-2018 03:00 PM
Thanks Kimo. My name is David and I am living in London, UK. I am a private collector in a few focussed areas - wristwatches, things related to drinking (like victorian wine glasses, decanters, cocktail shakers), and wine. I have a limited collection of silver, mostly tableware which we use rather than anything in a cabinet, and wine related silver like drip coasters and decanter labels. I bought these service spoons at auction here in the UK, but have not been able to find where they are from, and/or who the maker might be. They measure abut 8" in length. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 04-24-2018 05:45 PM
Could they be German? That looks like a 13 Loth mark to me, but I'm no expert. IP: Logged |
agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 04-24-2018 09:28 PM
Yes, most probably German/Austrian and the US would be the maker. David good work on the images! Welcome to the forums. IP: Logged |
buddman Posts: 3 |
posted 04-24-2018 11:56 PM
Thank-you so much! IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 04-25-2018 09:41 AM
Welcome to the forums! IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 04-28-2018 11:26 AM
If you or any reader is not familiar with the German 'lot' silver standards, it is based on how many parts in 16 are pure silver versus other metals that are needed to alloy with the silver to make it hard enough to stand up to regular use. Pure silver is too soft and would easily bend in your fingers so it has to be alloyed. A purity mark of 13 lot would mean it is 13 parts of silver to 3 parts other metal which works out to be 81.2 percent silver. By comparison the sterling standard indicates 92.5 percent silver in the alloy. Germany began using markings that included a crescent moon and crown in solid silver alloy objects in 1886 so your very nice spoons would likely be pre 1886. Their scalloped shaped bowls are typical of sugar spoons, but sometimes you see these on other kinds of serving spoons. IP: Logged |
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