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Rust9 Posts: 4 |
posted 12-12-2018 07:39 PM
  
I think this is a Whiting Hyperion spoon, though I can not find the exact spoon anywhere. Also, the mark looks German? Any thoughts or help would be much appreciated.... [This message has been edited by Rust9 (edited 12-12-2018).] IP: Logged |
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Rust9 Posts: 4 |
posted 12-12-2018 07:52 PM
And, my name is Rusty, I currently live in Central Oregon. This is one of 3 random pieces that came with an inherited set of silver. Having fun doing some research, Thanks! IP: Logged |
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 12-14-2018 01:49 AM
you are most likely right that its German. Thats all i can supply. IP: Logged |
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Rust9 Posts: 4 |
posted 12-14-2018 05:21 PM
Thanks for the reply. I am a bit confused because from what I have found Whiting was an American company so not sure why it would have a German mark.?. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 12-14-2018 09:49 PM
Why do you think it is Whiting? I agree that it is very likely a German maker rather than an American maker like Whiting. My reasons are the crescent moon mark and the fact that it is made of relatively low grade silver alloy with 800 parts per thousand which was relatively standard at the time for silver objects made in Germany. Whiting would have used Sterling silver which is 925 parts per thousand silver. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 12-14-2018 10:05 PM
It looks like an American company and a German company shared the same design. Maybe they just crossed licensed each other for the design or had some other arrangement. As Kimo noted the difference in silver content means they were making the silver in their own country and not just retailing someone else’s silver. Interesting mystery. IP: Logged |
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Rust9 Posts: 4 |
posted 12-14-2018 10:41 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I was sure it was Whiting Hyperion because of the really close similarity in design.  But, I did not quite understand why it would have a German mark...... IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 12-15-2018 07:35 PM
Sure does look like Hyperion. Could have been a licensing arrangement but then again there is always plagiarism. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 12-17-2018 04:31 PM
Copying popular designs seems not to have been entirely uncommon during that era. Especially when one company made tiny and not easily seen modifications so that they could say their design was not an exact reproduction of that of another company, especially when the companies were in different countries. Another example when a popular design was being made by three different companies in three different countries is Peau de Lion. This was made by Christofle in France, Fraget in Warsaw, and Gorham in the US. Each put their own marks on the items they made. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 12-18-2018 01:17 AM
There were international agreements when this pattern was designed that may have allowed Whiting to secure rights in Germany, but securing rights in other countries has always been expensive and foreign countries tend to have laws that favor natives. Whiting may well have decided not to obtain rights or do business in Germany or any other country. Gorham was one company that did conduct business in foreign countries. They sold and manufactured in England starting in the early 1900s. Gorham in England ( Gorham Birmingham UK - teaspoon) is an interesting post on this company. The United States conducted business with foreign countries much as they did with us. For most of the 1800s our publishers routinely and blatantly published the best foreign works without permission or payment to the authors. This worked out good for our publishers, but not so good for our authors. Royalty free works from Europe tended to keep the price our authors could get low. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 12-18-2018 05:51 PM
I believe Dickens was particularly peeved by American piracy. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 12-18-2018 09:59 PM
When I look really closely at the Whiting Hyperion photo above and the photo of the spoon in the original posting I see some small differences, as if they were made from different dies that were carved to be almost the same but not quite. For example, if you count the number of beads around the central oval that can be used for engraving initials, the Whiting seems to have more beads than the unknown German made one. IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 12-22-2018 03:05 PM
The devil is in the details. We've spent many hours over the years scrutinizing small nuances of patterns to delineate one from the other. IP: Logged |
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