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bjaskols Posts: 21 |
posted 03-25-2019 06:31 PM
  
Hello. I rarely have anything to add that hasnt already been on this forum but I think i have something new to share. I thought I would share these pieces i recently had in a John Wendt pattern I have seen called 'Shangri-la'. I happened to find the salad set and the pie server at different places but had them at the same time. What I found interesting was that the temples at the finial ends were different, marking this as a muli-motif pattern. The blade of the pie server was also distinctly Wendt to seal the attribution. I have seen one piece called Wendt pagoda and i am wondering what the members think about that being another motif in this pattern. The blade/handle connection on the pagoda piece throws me. It doesn't seem Wendt. Then there are the differences between the non-temple details of the ends( floral arbor the same on the salad and pie, dragons on the pagoda). Though the blade, on the pagoda piece does seem to resemble Wendt. What do others think? [This message has been edited by bjaskols (edited 03-25-2019).] IP: Logged |
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bjaskols Posts: 21 |
posted 03-25-2019 06:41 PM
the salad set  the pie server the temple ends The Wendt pagoda piece IP: Logged |
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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 03-28-2019 03:09 PM
Greetings bjaskols - I'm not quite sure what your question is. If the pieces you call 'Shangri-la' are marked Wendt pieced, that's very exciting for me as I'll outline shortly. If you are asking whether these pieces are related to the 'Pagoda' piece, my instinct is that there are construction similarities, but they aren't sufficiently similar to form a 'pattern'. But what do we even mean by 'pattern'? To me, this indicates a set of things with enough similarity to be viewed as a family, and intended by the maker to be viewed that way, and used together. Your 'Shangri-la' pieces clearly share components, but aren't identical. Does this make them a multi-motif pattern? My gut says that the differences come down to the whim of the craftsmen making them, since (someone correct me if I'm wrong) the notion of a multi-motif pattern applies more to die-struck patterns, not items with as much hand work as I believe were in making these pieces. But they are certainly of a family! Which brings me to my piece, which is also different. It is a punch ladle, marked only STERLING, which has since its presentation in 1872 been associated with a Gorham punchbowl. I have been attributing it to Gorham based on this association, but don't feel right about this, as the construction is not Gorham's. Here is the ladle and a closeup of its terminal.   And here are the punchbowl and ladle together.  Besides Gorham marks, the punchbowl has a Starr & Marcus retailer mark, and a presentation inscription on its foot. It was in the Wagstaff sale of 1989 and went to auction a couple of times after that before I acquired it in 2000. If you have a solid attribution of Wendt for your pieces, I'd be very happy to hear about it, as it gives me a maker for my ladle. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-29-2019 10:00 AM
Splendid pieces! IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 03-29-2019 10:40 PM
Wow, those are eye popping pieces! IP: Logged |
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bjaskols Posts: 21 |
posted 04-09-2019 06:49 PM
Richard, That is a lovely ladle. I agree with many of your comments. I guess i am using multi-motif here to mean the same, for these well crafted pieces, as it does for a stamped pattern. Items related in form and design so much that the maker intended them to be considered a set. My question was, does the 'Pagoda' piece share enough characteristics with the pieces above to have been intended to be in that set? (although if i am putting in your piece dragons becomes a motif in the group...see below) About your ladle, you may want to check out Britannia/silverperfect. There is a new/recent Wendt fish set there sharing a number of details with your ladle. I do believe that your ladle is by Wendt and would have been part of whatever pattern this is! My attribution is based on the blade on the pie server. This blade has been on many verified Wendt patterns. I have seen it on Florentine and Bird specifically. Best, [This message has been edited by bjaskols (edited 04-09-2019).] [This message has been edited by bjaskols (edited 04-09-2019).] IP: Logged |
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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 04-10-2019 04:29 PM
Hi Brian - Thanks for the reference to the fish set. It certainly looks like a family. The problem I have with a Wendt attribution for my piece is that the punchbowl was retailed by Starr & Marcus, but Wendt worked mainly (exclusively?) for Ball Black, and the ladle's STERLING mark looks nothing like any known Wendt or Biederhaus mark. Do you think this is a problem? Richard IP: Logged |
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bjaskols Posts: 21 |
posted 04-11-2019 01:53 PM
I don't think the retailer is a problem. Everything i have read says that J Wendt produced most of Ball & Blacks silver. That is not saying it was his only production..... Can you put in a pic of the sterling mark on yours? B IP: Logged |
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H Bradshaw Posts: 30 |
posted 04-11-2019 09:18 PM
In looking over my inventory sheet for Wendt patterns, mainly Florentine, I have pieces marked with the following retailers: Canfield Bros, Morrill Bros, P Gottesleben, Robins Biddle & Co, J E Caldwell, D H Buell, Starr & Marcus, & B.B. & Co. Mine is only a small collection so I'm sure there were many other retailers out there. IP: Logged |
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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 04-12-2019 08:22 PM
Bingo! A Starr & Marcus mark on a Wendt piece! Thanks so much! Here are a few more photos of the set. First, the reverse of the terminal. As you can see, the central part is quite flat and engraved, not cast and dimensional as on other similar pieces: IP: Logged |
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bjaskols Posts: 21 |
posted 04-16-2019 11:56 AM
The back is the same 'flat' figural work that was on the 3 pieces i had. Such a nice ladle. B IP: Logged |
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