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Silverbug Posts: 10 |
posted 03-04-2024 05:43 PM
  
Hello, would you please look at this fork and spoon? No monogram on the fork, there is a T monogram on the spoon. The last of the T family, Jean, b. 1894-1968, she was really a silver aficionado and monogrammed a lot of hers. But the T family also had their silver monogrammed with a T that much preceded Jean's collection but I stilI suspect both are hers. Some of the knifes are much newer because some wrapped in the original plastic wrapper. The markings are completely different. They styles are super close , but the body of the fork handle bows slightly upwards when upside down, the spoons is just a bit concave. Both utensils' ends tip upward at the very end. Marks: Spoon: 'B B Anchor' on the bottom of the bowl (I think) if it is Barker Brothers Birmingham, shouldn't it have more marks, like the lion? Do you have any thoughts about who the maker was and what dates? Sincerely
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11575 |
posted 03-06-2024 11:06 AM
Thanks for the photos. This might be helpful. [This message has been edited by Scott Martin (edited 03-06-2024).] IP: Logged |
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Silverbug Posts: 10 |
posted 03-06-2024 05:54 PM
Scott, yes the clearer picture helps but I still think it says B over B over Anchor. but, I think the LT might be Lord and Taylor. so it can't be an anchor for Birmingham. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 1001 |
posted 03-15-2024 01:22 PM
The fork is Durgin's 'Bradford' pattern, introduced in 1909, the spoon is Watson's 'Commonwealth' pattern introduced in 1908... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11575 |
posted 03-15-2024 04:52 PM
Thank you Cheryl (AKA dragonflywink). You are one of the most knowledgeable and helpful SSF members! Silverbug, Everyone these days relies on the Internet for their research .... The Internet can help but is also full of inaccurate information. If you are serious about researching silver then spending time at a good public library or better building your own research library of Silver books is a way to go. The library approach is often a slower method but it generally provides more accurate and detailed information. For example the Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers by Dorothy T. Rainwater is one of the first books to own. As you learn, you will find that there are different editions of "Rainwater" so a good library will have the different editions. The following is from "Rainwater" and doesn't show it all. IP: Logged |
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Silverbug Posts: 10 |
posted 03-16-2024 12:49 AM
I ordered the Rainwater book. I don't understand how you both were able to come up with this information from the back of the spoon. Even though you spelled it out for me, I don't see how Watson is noted on the spoon. They are not the same letters or symbols as the excerpt. Maybe once I get the book it will make more sense. What websites do you recommend? I don't understand how you got the name and pattern from the fork that just has a gothic T and a capital M.... I have read a ton, but it's so confusing. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 1001 |
posted 03-16-2024 03:52 AM
Awww, thanks for the compliment Scott - don't have much time to participate these days. Silverbug, silver research is unending, I'm edging up on a half-century of studying and still learn new things almost every day. The image below, from Rainwater's 4th edition, shows a variety of Watson marks, those on your spoon are second from the bottom: ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 1001 |
posted 03-16-2024 10:09 AM
Sorry, it was late and didn't realize there was confusion regarding the fork as well - your image of the mark is upside-down, the letter is a 'D' rather than a 'T'; the stamped 'M' and 'LT' on the spoon would be factory codes, serving to indicate weight or some other purpose. Your Durgin mark, a variant without the oval outline, is shown below, from Rainwater's 4th edition: ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2378 |
posted 03-16-2024 10:34 AM
The fourth edition of the Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers includes information from Judy Redfield. This information was left out of later editions as Rainwater seems to have teamed with other authors. I still prefer the fourth edition. Another older book that is useful is Kovels' American Silver Marks. The Kovels seem to have brought every silver book that was available at their time and developed a format for collating the information into a useful book. As for as I can tell they did not do any original research, but they did make the information that was available more accessible. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 1001 |
posted 03-16-2024 11:29 AM
Rainwater's fourth edition is my go-to as well, the fifth edition has a bit of additional info, though it doesn't start to make up for the loss of Redfield's contributions... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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