|
|
|
| How to Post Photos |
REGISTER (click here)
|
|
|
|
| How to Post Photos |
REGISTER (click here)
|
|
 SMP Silver Salon Forums
 Continental / International Silver
 ID German 800 Silver Pattern
|
 SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone! |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Author | Topic: ID German 800 Silver Pattern |
|
DSmit Posts: 3 |
posted 12-17-2004 07:42 PM
  
I would be very grateful for any help identifying the maker or pattern of my German 800 silver. My best guess is that it probably dates from the 1920's or 30's. I am new to this forum and to posting pictures, but I hope these photos of the dinner fork and the hallmark will be of some use: Thanks very much for your help! IP: Logged |
|
blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 12-18-2004 11:55 AM
The pattern is called "Englisch Chippendale" and is produced by Bremer Silberwarefabrik (more commonly called "BSF") of Bremen, Germany; the burning torch is their trademark. The company was founded in 1905, and I think they might still be in business, as some of their patterns still turn up regularly for sale. I couldn't find a website for them, though. Hope this helps! [This message has been edited by blakstone (edited 12-18-2004).] IP: Logged |
|
DSmit Posts: 3 |
posted 12-18-2004 12:25 PM
That is marvelously helpful! Thank you so much! (And I'm so pleased to hear that mark described as a "burning torch"--that is far more elegant than my best guess--I was searching for items marked with a "carrot"!) IP: Logged |
|
Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 12-22-2004 11:16 PM
" ... I think they might still be in business, as some of their patterns still turn up ... " BSF appears to now be a subsidiary of Wilkens producing only 18/10 ware under the 'BSF' label. It MAY be that Wilkens took over some of their successful patterns in 800. Blackstone, as I am sure you know, there is quite a bit of 800 silver marked 'BSF'; I suppose it to be later than the torch. Do your references indicate when the torch was changed to the 'BSF' mark? Just curious. TIA! IP: Logged |
|
DSmit Posts: 3 |
posted 12-23-2004 12:23 AM
I've found several European sites selling the Wilkins BSF 18/10 apparently new. I haven't found any new 800 silver, though, so I think that must be correct, that only the 18/10 is being produced now. I'd like to know about the switch to the squarish BSF trademark, too; good question! Also, I've noticed that the first number shown in my mark above, what I think is a six or a nine, is not necessarily present. It could be a year, perhaps--or a model number? If anyone knows what that signifies, I'd appreciate hearing. IP: Logged |
|
blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 12-23-2004 09:29 PM
I checked my notes and can add a little info. BSF was known as Bremer Silberwarenfabrik Hüneke & Co. from 1901-1904 and as simply Bremer Silberwarenfabrik from 1905 on. The company is no longer around, having closed in 1981, and their dies were indeed purchased by M. H. Wilkens & Söhne of Hemelingen bei Bremen. As for the marks, only the torch mark is listed in a 1925 German Silversmith's Directory that I have, so the "BSF" mark was used at least later than that. I have seen the "BSF" mark on an item dated 1957, but that doesn't mean an awful lot, since inscribed dates can be unreliable; who's to say it wasn't given in 1977 as a 20th anniversary gift? My best guess is that the "BSF" mark is post-war, and probably mid-1950s at the earliest. Bremen is a pretty interesting spot, being the home of three of the great modern German silver factories: BSF, Wilkens and Koch & Bergfeld, the last two still in existence. IP: Logged |
All times are ET | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
  |
|
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a
|
1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums. 2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development). 3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post. |
|
copyright © 1993 - 2022
SM Publications
All Rights Reserved. Legal & Privacy Notices |
