Russian(?) standing bear with staff-mark

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wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-05-2005 10:17 AM Does anyone know the significance of the above mark on a silver crown along with "84"? IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 03-05-2005 10:24 AM Murray, A photo of the mark (not larger than 490 pixels wide at 72 DPI) would be helpful. IP: Logged
blakstone Posts: 493 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-05-2005 11:22 AM Well, the mark you describe is a pretty good match for the city mark of Yaroslavl (though it's actually a halberd the bear is carrying.) However, like most pre-1899 Russian marks, there should be other marks other than it and "84" - a maker's mark at the very least. Scott's right - a photograph or even a good sketch of the marks would be needed to say for sure. "84" can often indicate a quality of non-Russian silver plate, rather than Russian silver purity. IP: Logged
wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-05-2005 10:05 PM Thank You Scott Martin and Blackstone.The other markings are I.C over a straight line under which is 1888. The other mark of the total described including the upright bear wiyh the staff or standard is IA. I do have good photos but have given up on trying to upload either from photobucket or snapfish even though I applaud the instructions a few of you have given me. Murray IP: Logged
wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-05-2005 10:20 PM IP: Logged
wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-05-2005 10:36 PM some detail IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 03-06-2005 09:47 AM My opinion to this marks: The assay master's mark and the master mark are struck overlapping. The assay master mark must read: M.C (M.S in Latin) instead of I.C, which would be a combination of Kyrillic and Latin or only Latin - what is not possible in Jaroslavl.' The maker's mark is not IA (the same as above), it must be what looks like an reversed N and an A (ID in Latin). You have to inspect closely with a loupe. So my answer is: Assay master: M.C (M.S in Latin)on duty 1869 - 1889, unfortunately his mark is known, but his name is unrecorded Maker: in Cyrillic (what looks for you like a reversed N and an A) is I.D in Latin and belongs to Druschtschinin Iwan Ilbin, Silver-and Goldsmith (from 1832 - to 1855) and than dealer and owner of a firm separating silver and gold from no longer used things. Townmark of Jaroslavl: Bear carrying a halberd 84: Russian silver content mark for 375/1000 Hope it helps and you can understand my strange English. Sazikov2000 IP: Logged
wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-06-2005 10:25 AM Sazikov, You are a remarkable resource and I appreciate your great knowledge and willingness to share and teach.Here is a better picture of the mark and I see that the date is 1889. Thanks Again. Murray IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 03-06-2005 11:20 AM Now I know for sure, it is as I wrote, only the date changes from (Wrong) 1888 to (right) 1889. Thank you for the flowers! Sazikov2000 IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-07-2005 02:27 PM Sazikov, You wrote 84= 375/1000. I am sure this is a typo and you meant 875/1000? Tom IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 03-07-2005 05:21 PM Fortunately there is no age limit in the SSF-Guidelines! My nurse must have forgotten to control-read the lines.... Correction: 84 = 875/1000 silvercontent ! Thank you Tom tmockait! IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-07-2005 07:06 PM I know it was just a typo, like many of my own. I belong to another forum: Bad spellers of the world untie! Or is it unite?! Tom IP: Logged
wizard Posts: 78 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-07-2005 09:18 PM Thanks to Tom and Sazikov for the update. Murray IP: Logged

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