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Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-17-2002 02:44 PM
I have a set that I need help identifying. It is marked with 2 W's over an S. There is also a mark that is inset in a circle that I can't make out. They came in (I believe) the original case. The case is stamped on the top inside in gold. In the center (which is all I can definetly make out) is POCIOBE NWPTOPS. I don't know for sure if this is sterling or plate. I suspect it is plate though. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! IP: Logged |
Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-17-2002 03:20 PM
Hi, My gut instinct tells me that your set is Polish. I think I have seen that WWS mark before on Polish silver, and I believe it is a maker's mark. The little round mark that you can't make out is the key to identifying your set further. If you can get a good magnifier, you might be able to make sense of it. If it is Polish, the round mark will likely include the head of a peasant woman in a babushka. A number to the right of the head will tell you the fineness of the silver. If I am right, your set is solid silver, though likely of a lower grade than sterling. By the way, what kind of set is this? Brent IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-17-2002 05:34 PM
Brent, It really helps with just a little something to go on. The mark is either a girls or womans head with the number 3 beside it. It is a flatware set with 6 of each of the following: dinner knives,dinner forks, place or table spoons, teaspoons and demitasse spoons. Can you tell me any more? Thank you! [This message has been edited by Tessa (edited 01-17-2002).] [This message has been edited by Tessa (edited 01-17-2002).] IP: Logged |
Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-17-2002 05:55 PM
Hi again, Yep, it's Polish. The 3 indicates that the silver is of the third standard, or 800/1000 fine. "Sterling" silver is 925/1000 fine, or 92.5% silver. Your pieces are 80% silver. The 800 standard was common in Europe, and the fact that it is only 80% silver and not 92.5% silver only really matters if you plan to melt it down or sell it by the pound. Regardless, it is solid silver, and certainly not plated. Now, is the 3 on the left side of the woman's head or the right? Or is the mark shaped like an 8 with the 3 below the head? On the opposite side of the head, is there a W or an H? The answer will fhelp us to date the set. Brent IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-17-2002 06:05 PM
Brent, The 3 is on the left and there is a W behind her head. Thanks for your help! You guys are the greatest!!!! Tessa IP: Logged |
Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-17-2002 10:02 PM
Hi again, The mark you describe was first introduced around 1920, and was replaced with a new style in 1931. So, your set dates from 1920 to 1931. I hope this answers your questions. Enjoy your set! Brent IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-18-2002 10:06 AM
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Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-18-2002 12:17 PM
Scott, Thank you for posting the mark. The actual mark on the pieces is only about the size of a straight pin head. Thank goodness I still have good eyesight! I know you guys aren't supposed to talk values, but I picked this set up for $20.00, was it worth it? There is a local antique store I plan to take it to and ask their opinon of the value. I don't plan to sell it, would just like to know. If the mark was an "h" instead of a "w" would it be newer or older? Just curious..... Thanks! IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-18-2002 12:47 PM
36 pieces of solid 800 silver for $20 ($0.55 each). I wouldn't have hesitated to buy it. Remember a dealer's guesstimate usually falls somewhere between what they would buy it from you for, what they would sell it to you for and what they think will make you happy. A simple way to get an idea of the value of your silver is to watch eBay for the next year and see what several similar items sell for. Or you could secure the services of a professional appraiser. To request information about an professional appraiser in your area, go to here. The following is from this link: quote: To find an appraiser in your area click here. IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-21-2002 03:18 PM
Is there any chance you might be able to tell me the pattern name if I upload a picture? Thanks, IP: Logged |
Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 01-21-2002 03:52 PM
We might be able to name the pattern...but we would like to see a picture regardless! Paul IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-24-2002 01:54 PM
Sorry for the delay in posting the pictures. I also included a picture of the stamp on the inside cover. The writing looks Russian to me? Thanks for your help!
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-25-2002 08:33 AM
Tessa, Your photos weren't displaying properly (posted 01-24-2002 01:54 PM). I edited your photos and put them on our web server. I am sure your ISP (@home), gives you (for free) at least 10 meg of storage space. You should store your photos there. IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-25-2002 10:54 AM
Scott, Thanks for correcting the photos for me. They showed up fine for me when I first posted them?? Anyways, any ideas as to the pattern name? I also have another question... I have some spoons that are marked OVD with a line of something running thru the middle of the letters??? Any ideas? Tessa IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-25-2002 01:01 PM
Please start a new thread for your OVD question. IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-25-2002 01:03 PM
I'll start a new post, but any ideas as to the pattern name for the silver? Thanks! IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-25-2002 01:07 PM
Not off the top of my head. When I have more time I will do a little research. Maybe someone else can help. IP: Logged |
Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-25-2002 01:34 PM
If this set were American, I would date it more to the late-1950's than the 1920's. It looks like the modern styles that appeared then. Odd! Brent IP: Logged |
Tessa Posts: 24 |
posted 01-25-2002 01:38 PM
Brent, Thats what they told me at a local antique store. The mark is the exact one you posted though. Tessa IP: Logged |
deb Posts: 14 |
posted 02-10-2002 05:57 PM
Brent you are so good at dating pieces by style! Tessa will be amazed to see the likeness of her silver to International's Pine Spray pattern of 1957--nearly identical! IP: Logged |
akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 02-11-2002 03:59 PM
I'm not certain this doesn't date from later on. Tardy's (my only source for Polish marks, alas) is a bit unclear on whether this mark was replaced in the '30s, '40s, or '50s. Does anyone have a better source? IP: Logged |
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