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kerppola Posts: 69 |
posted 01-10-2007 04:24 AM
  
I have a Russian candy spoon with the following marks. I have figured out it to be from Kostroma 1896-1908. The maker would be IIM (Cyrillic) which I don't know. I don't know what the initials EW means. Also the last mark I don't know so what could that be? IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 01-10-2007 06:42 PM
I am puzzled both by the marks and your conclusion. I belive the AC to the right of the head is the mark of the Lomza assay office, 1896-1908. I cannot see why there are two zolotnik marks (84). Also, I cannot find a Russian mark to match the very bottom mark. Extra marks often indicate a forgery, but I am by no means qualified to make that call. I will very interested to see other posts. Good luck, Tom IP: Logged |
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kerppola Posts: 69 |
posted 01-11-2007 02:41 AM
It might be a forgery, luckily it was an inexpensive and small item. I have been doubting the marks also but have no better knowledge as I have not seen these kinds of markings before. I also have only seen a couple of possible forgeries in pictures. My conclusion of Kostroma was according to the P.L.Paulson catalog (1976) that says there was an assayer A.Solodilova in Kostroma with those initials (A.C, cyrillic). It might have been corrected in later catalogs. The IIM was just a best guess so could be something else. IP: Logged |
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kerppola Posts: 69 |
posted 01-11-2007 04:01 AM
To puzzle even little more I remembered and checked that I have a pair of gilded sugartongs with the same maker and assayer. I believe these sugartongs to be real as they look right and and are of very good quality. Here the maker is more easily read as IIM. The candy spoon could be a forgery with correct but forged maker and assayer mark and forged other marks. Or could it be one example of those re-marked Russian silver items as discussed earlier. So they would have been re-marked in an other country when imported and sold there. But which country I don't know. IP: Logged |
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Kayvee Posts: 204 |
posted 01-11-2007 08:44 AM
Postnikova-Loseva lists IIM as mark number 731, an unknown maker from Kostroma who was active 1899 until after 1908. There are three objects by IIM in the collections of the State Historical Museum in Moscow. The attribution of the city mark to Lomza by tmcrockit seems to be a misreading of Tardy. The EW mark is puzzling on many levels. The last mark looks like a Czech import mark. Now that you have 2 objects by the same maker it might be a good idea to submit them to an expert to determine authenticity Hope this helps. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-11-2007 10:40 AM
The fleur-de-lys mark looks similar to the one shown by Diviš but not identical. But I suspect that's on the right track, and that the EW mark is also perhaps an assayers mark in one of the Russian- or Soviet-occupied territories. Those marks seem to be poorly documented in the literature - at least as available here in the US. Since Sasikov seems to have left us perhaps blakstone will have the answer. I do think that the solution to this group of marks from Kayvee is more likely re-assaying than forgery. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-11-2007 10:44 AM
Oh, and yes, Postnikova-Loseva et al. (it is a multiple-authored work) shows an assayer A. Solodilova in Kostroma 1899-1905 (mark 3874 in the 1983 edition). IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 01-11-2007 11:37 AM
As I said, Tardy is limited. I find the death of explanation frustrating. For example, he often lists assay office marks but the not the cities to which they refer. Anyway, I am still puzzled by the number of marks. I can see adding an import mark but why he second zolotnik. I do miss Sazakov's contribution, but as noted, perhaps Blackstone will shed further light. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-11-2007 03:07 PM
Posted in the ]New Mebers' Forum by Dorothee posted 01-11-2007 03:01 PM quote: IP: Logged |
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kerppola Posts: 69 |
posted 01-12-2007 03:31 AM
Thanks Dorothee for your excellent reply. There is always someone with that extra knowledge. Many thanks for solving this. Regards, IP: Logged |
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