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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-13-2009 01:54 PM
  
[07-0635 26-1785] This folding fork has been kicking around in a drawer for 20 or more years during which time I have never got round to making sense of its marks. I imagine it is a 19th century imitation of the type of European folding fork that was made in the 17th century, often dual purpose with a detachable spoon bowl that clipped on to the tines. If my fork ever had such a bowl, it had disappeared before I got it. On the side of the stem, just above the hinge there is a small mark, possibly French as there is impressed hatching (bigorne?) directly opposite on the other side of the stem. The four marks across the top of the tines appear to be a tree, a head facing left as you look at it, "R6" and three inverted triangles. I imagine these could well be Hanau type pseudo marks, but it would be nice to know for sure. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-17-2009 09:49 AM
This strongly reminds me of Italian work but I don't think the marks bear that out. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-17-2009 10:18 AM
Thanks. I've had some comment from MBJ via the new members forum that point to the marks being Dutch pseudos. I think the stem mark is a post 1893 French import mark so I guess the conclusion is that this is a Dutch replica of ca.1900. [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 01-17-2009).] [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 01-17-2009).] IP: Logged |
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MBJ Posts: 26 |
posted 01-14-2009 06:46 AM
I agree that your folding fork is a replica, but I do think that the maker "R6" is dutch. There were dutch makers who made these sort of objects and used pseudo-marks among them Alle de Haas in Sneek. I am from Sweden and my interest in collecting is quite academic; I like to find objects, where I have to do some research, but it can sometimes be hard especially in the field of European continental silver. Swedish silver is as you probably already know, like British, quite often easy to identify. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-14-2009 08:01 AM
Thank you very much. That is interesting. I knew in theory that replica or historicist silver was not restricted to Hanau but was also made elsewhere, particularly in the Netherlands, but had only come across references to the marks used in Hanau. I'm very grateful therefore to have your additional information. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 01-14-2009 01:16 PM
Short reaction from my side I will look for R6, perhaps it's a control office number? If you are interested in silverware from Friesland (considering the city Sneek etc. and the silversmiths from Friesland in the period of 1700-1812 you can type for search function :"meestertekens van fries goud" a website with good information about silversmiths.When you tip on the right names you can find marks and information. I think in several countries a lot silversmiths reproduced for instance old spoon etc. Trying the technique for producing these, I ever saw a information site about Marius Hammer from Norway who also reproduced older items. If you wish I can inform you about good sites in Holland. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-14-2009 04:31 PM
Thanks, Silverhunter. That's an interesting site you referred me to. Fortunately, by combining knowledge of German and English it is possible to understand a bit of written Dutch and browse around the site. While my main interest is British silver, it is always a pleasure to see good pieces from other countries and get some understanding of different styles and traditions. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 01-14-2009 05:23 PM
I can give the translation of the few dutch worths translated into the englisch version concerning the marks symbols, or perhaps you can translate the site with the possibility of translating the total information into englisch? I will look if that's possible, I return with answer. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 01-14-2009 05:49 PM
I can't find the possibility of automatic translation into a englisch version, so there is one thing to do. Translate the symbols: Dutch: English: anker ancer blad leaf bloem flower kroon crown steel steel boom tree dier animal druiventros bunch of grapes? eend duck eikel acorn hamer hammer hanekop cock head helm helmet hert naar links deer to the left hert naar rechts deer to the right hoorn hornet huis house hulst hully ketel kettle klaver clover ster star kuiperdissel tube...? lam lamb lelie lily maan moon niet te beschrijve merk- unknown master paard horse paardenhoofd horse head potje met bloemen vase with flowers schild shield schip ship ster star punten points tak twig kersen cherries vaas vase vis fisch vogel bird vos fox wezel weasel zon sun zoutvat salt cellar Concerning the information to the silversmiths
geboren born So the symbols are translated and the little information to the silversmith also. If you visit the site(I hope it will succeed) you can translate a lot and if you click the mouse at the blue names of the silversmiths at the right side, you get more information by each person and marks included. Success, I hope it works. Starting a free education about all that Dutch worths! IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-15-2009 07:01 AM
hartelijk dank IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 01-15-2009 08:52 AM
No thanks I hope that this boring list will help with reading some dutch items at internet. You can also try the search function:zilver veilingen (silver auctions) sometimes they inform website visitors with a catalog information, sometimes with photo's and silversmith information also nice to learn the silver market, prices, differences etc.national or international silver. I hope that I ever go to one auction, it's seems to be a interesting world. How did you know: hartelijk dank? I say no thanks for that.I was pleased to do the homework, my wife is always glad if I spend a lot of time with this silver forum. I spend rather many hours with questions and reactions and don't have time to go out and spend money for instance visiting pubs or nightlife like they say home sweet home. Greetings Andre. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-15-2009 06:17 PM
Andre I just needed a dictionary for my Dutch thank you, but thanks again in English this time. David IP: Logged |
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