posted 05-31-2006 03:32 PM            

Ahh at last I found out how to post LOL

Hi

I was sent here from GMB ref two Jugendstil Vases - one expert says he can tell they are 1900s and German - same area as WMF, but cannot give me a maker.

I post here hoping this forum can help.

The mark is so small and covered with thick plating

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Adam P

posted 05-31-2006 03:45 PM            

glass inserts with hand engraving

posted 05-31-2006 04:14 PM            

There are some products that clearly look to be German, indeed can be matched exactly with known German production, but do not bear a German mark. What seems to have happened is that these were destined for export and were marked with the language and system of the country for which they were intended. The mark may be for a retailer or wholesaler. It strikes me as Turkish, but I am no expert on that.

Usually, dealers sort of collapse these all into a class of 'WMF type'. And credit WMF as the likely maker. But there were silver makers all over Europe. Some marked examples turn out to be Swedish or Danish or Polish or Czech.

posted 05-31-2006 04:20 PM            

These are silver plated

posted 05-31-2006 06:22 PM            

Given the shape, the glass is no doubt original. But glass was made everywhere, so it doesn't really tell us anything.

posted 05-31-2006 06:50 PM            

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'Hi

Please excuse the tardiness of this reply. After 2 weeks, we returned from China last night. I welcome your emails and will always share what I know. In this case though, it's not much.

I checked my usual resources and these vases have me stumped. They are not Russian and not from the fifties. They appear to be old, German, and of the same period as Art Nouveau/Jugendstil WMF. I agree with the first assessment you posted on April 27th about the possible manufacturers and suggest that this is another job for the silver salon forums at: Silver Salon Forums

They have a forum on silverplate and I bet they can help. I'd be interested in the answer and will follow the thread. You are welcome to post any or all of this. Sorry I am not more help.
Regards,
Jeff '

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In 1883 they built a glassworks at Geislingen - it was not until 1926 that they created their famous Ikora range. It is presumed that the works at Geislingen 'First produced simple cut and engraved glass in the Bohemian style' (L Jackson 20th C Factory Glass) for domestic use and for their own pewter and silver ware creations.

A big give away for me (I am not saying these are WMF btw) is the design at the base of the cartouche, see how it is picked up in the simple engraving on the glass?

Adam P

posted 06-01-2006 12:58 AM            

Quist is far better known, however, as one of the leading manufacturers of military helmets during WWII. They are no longer in business, no doubt in part thanks to their position as a prominent supplier to the Third Reich. Try googling "Esslingen" and "Quist" and see what you find.