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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-03-2010 05:29 AM
[07-0781] Here is a story regarding education. To have knowledge has never harmed anyone. In some cases you can even make a finding. I always check the boxes containing silver plated flat ware. I always check silverplated that is. And many a good find has been discovered among the plated. Normally I find a spoon or like, there are normally a catch. Sometimes a good one. In November 13th 2009 I made a bargain. Among silver plated I found this
The spoons are danish made in Copenhagen by Martin Joachim Oppermann born in Poland 1778, becomes a jeweler on December 15th 1806; he is dead in 1849, but in 1815 he divorces his wife and she continues production. He manufactures soft drinks. Guardian mark tells us that the spoons are before 1823. marks are worn but we can estimate 1806 to 1823 as day of manufacture. Found among silver plated - for the price of 1$ each. I know we don't talk prices, but I just gave price to show, that one should be observant. IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-03-2010 06:06 AM
That finding was some time ago. In between I have found many nice items in silver among the plated. The record however is difficult to beat, but can be done. I know that we don't often find 6 matching pieces, and much rare is 6 matching unknown, Can be beat 200 years? The answer is yes (otherwise I would not sit here writing). record was set yesterday. Among silver plated I found one desert-spoon around 1900 and one the-spoon around 1880 - not out of the ordinary. Also common but a bit rare was 2 empire spoons - made by danish Århus master Christian Schmidt born 1741, citizenship June 7th 1773 - local guardian 1791 to 1793. So we know that the 2 spoons are made before 1793, even as the prick-engraving say 1807. Must be put there at a special occasion. The spoons are nice they match the one starting this story - but 2 cannot match 6. Therefore we continue... IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-03-2010 06:16 AM
I was pleased 4 spoons two of them +200 years, and all in the 2$/piece box. My heart almost stopped - 1 (one) baroc spoon, (we are still in the 2$ box) then one more, then one more, then two more and finally one more. 6 in total all the same baroc. ½ dozen spoons - yep. All spoons had several names prik engraved and year 1781 At home I started searching. The spoons where made by two different makers. The 6 spoons are completely alike same shape and engraving. But 2 different makers. Four is marked CH 2 marked PB PB is from the danish city of Randers - he is Peter Brock Brockmand born in the city of Mariager citienship 16th December 1739 dead 1766. So we know that 2 of the spoons are before 1766. Halling is the name of two different cities in the county of Århus (don't know which of them - yet) Again we assume - proviniens is missing. To conclude - so much fun for 12$ - but my point is that you should be observant, treasures are there you have to open your eyes to find them. The 6 spoons was found yesterday - setting a new goal for my search. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 07-03-2010 09:55 AM
Great finds. I had more or less stopped rummaging around in bargain boxes because I never seem to find anything to justify the effort. Perhaps I should start again. IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-03-2010 10:02 AM
Just an extra image showing the rat tail engraving. Saw that I have had a reply. You can start right away. One must never stop. I have så many single spoons - some very old. But hey are there. Not often in pair of six - but less is also OK. However my finding yesterday - shows they are still there. One day at Bornholm I picked up 2 the-spoons silver gilded. Anno 1800 - priced 10 DKK/each. I asked to buy and she replied: "upon a time I believed that I should have money for them, then I realized no interest and I through them among the lot, you are the first one to pick them up for 5 years - now you can take care of them for me" That sounds like a ferry tale, but she did not drop dead afterwards IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-03-2010 10:34 AM
Fantastic treasures. A good lessen for anyone. Thanks. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-03-2010 10:46 AM
Is/was the custom at Danish tables to place the spoons with the bowl facing down, so that diners could fully appreciate the beautiful design work on the back? Those are really lovely. Congratulations, Hose_dk! IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-03-2010 12:50 PM
This is finding June 8th 2010. 5 spoons for 4½ $ for all 5.
Danish marks are always hidden, never on front side. Marks are always at back. Or on the under side. Unlike our neighbor Sweden. Swedish marks are always set so people can see that it is silver. In Denmark we do not brag with silver, we just show - but never show off. The rat-tail decoration is at the back because they should be at display like this The tobaksskab (tobacco cabinet) was hanging on the wall. Silver and valuables in there - in case of fire. Grab the furniture and save all family values. Inside the cabin was also snaps (liqueur) and glasses or tumlinge. The silver used for special occasions. The piece made by my grandfather in 1907 was a bit old fashioned. I don't think that these rows for spoons was made long after that. In my cabinet the spoons do not match. The holes are customized by grandfather for their silver. I have pictures to be hanging at the wall. He made the frame hang wrong. Their house was not strait so he adjusted frame/pictures so they looked like in latter. He was a skilled furniture maker. IP: Logged |
Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 07-03-2010 03:34 PM
I dealt in silverplate for many years. The usual practice was that I bought everything the sterling dealers didn't want as a lot. Which meant I ended up with lots of coin and continental silver. And some Georgian silver as well. It always seemed odd that the silverplate dealers were more knowledgeable about these areas than the sterling dealers. Thanks for the information. IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 03-07-2014 11:55 AM
I have not updated this for some time. I have found lots of silver, but only ordinary - not the real finds. Today I won an auktion. Item described as "plated with inliner off blue glass and 12 silver tea spoons...." I have therefore bought a mix of silver and plate. But is it plated? I was not the only one to think - could it be? 12 spoons and a sugarbowl with inner glass in blue. 12 spoons from a Danish maker Franciscius Kozlowsky maker 1798 to 1813. He dies 1847 Could the bowl be silver? Auktion house missed this Maker has set his mark in 1806 on top of an older mark. See its stuck upon an 1770 makers mark. Guardein is Fabritius and town mark is also 1770. Maker saved tax for the king by reuse of silvermarks. So I have a silver bowl and on top this exciting case of froud from 1806. [This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 03-07-2014).] IP: Logged |
Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 10-29-2017 09:22 AM
Long time simce post here. The silver found has been a spoon or like from time to time. Yesterday a real antique appeard in the 1½ dollar box. A beaker from the danish city of Slagelse. Made by Thomas Johan Schorler born approx 1736 in Næstved. Marries the vidow of a silversmith and gets his citienship in 1761 on the 14th of July. He dies in 1794. I would date the rococco beaker to the 1770ties. The findings are still there. Always be alert. [This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 10-29-2017).] IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 10-29-2017 10:37 AM
Lovely! IP: Logged |
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