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svpa1953 Posts: 5 |
posted 05-14-2007 09:53 PM
[26-1402] I've got two pieces of flatware made by different companies other than Daniel & Arter that are marked "aluminum silver". I realize that Daniel & Arter made flatware using this term from an alloy that contained neither aluminum nor silver. The first piece is a berry spoon made by International Silver. It is in the Daisy 1886 pattern. The spoon is marked on the back with two fields. One says "PAT MAY 88". The other says "ALUMINUM SILVER". The metal has a color and luster unlike any I have ever seen before. It does not tarnish. Here is a picture of the spoon (sorry for the quality): For comparison, here is a picture (courtesy replacements.com) of the Daisy 1886 pattern: I also have a serving knife of some sort that has the following text on the back: "ALUMINUM SILVER METAL CO.". It appears to be made of the same metal as the spoon. The company name is not one I've ever heard of before, and have not found in my research on the net so far. I don't physically have this knife yet (it should arrive in the next day or so), but I do have pictures of it, front and back: I have found a few references from the late 1800s documenting the use of a genuine aluminum silver alloy. A couple of the references mentions its use for flatware. Here are three of the references I found: ---- quote: and ---- quote: and ---- From reading these references, it certainly would appear that flatware was made out of a genuine aluminum silver alloy in the late 1800s. I'm thinking my two pieces might be the real deal. I'm interested in any thoughts anyone else might have on the subject. Any information on International Silver's or Aluminum Silver Metal Company's use of the term "aluminum silver" would certainly be appreciated. As an aside, Joseph W. Richards, the author of the Aluminum book was a metallurgy professor at Lehigh University. By coincidence Lehigh is my alma mater, and I seriously considered changing my major to metallurgy when I went there. IP: Logged |
svpa1953 Posts: 5 |
posted 05-14-2007 11:49 PM
I've found a few more references to "aluminum silver" from the 1800s. The alloy was also called "tiers argent" in French and "drittelsilber" in German. The alloy was developed in France and apparently saw wider use there than elsewhere for flatware. Here are three more references: ---- quote: and ---- and ---- IP: Logged |
21Kimball Posts: 34 |
posted 05-15-2007 10:57 AM
Naploleon III was a great promoter of aluminum in 19th century France, including its use for tableware. He had an entire flatware service of that metal. A quick google pulls up more references than would fit easily in this message: "napoleon iii aluminum table service." IP: Logged |
salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 05-15-2007 01:32 PM
Two words - density test. IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-15-2007 02:00 PM
In the early 1880s the price of aluminum was about $1 per ounce which was the same as an ounce of silver. The reason is no one had discovered how to refine large quantities of it until the late 1880s. It makes sense to me that prior to the discovery of how to refine large quantities of it inexpensively that alloying it with silver would have been considered an exotic and precious metal from which to make flatware. Once the discovery of how to created large quantities inexpensively came along I would guess that this alloy would have quickly lost its attraction in the market place. IP: Logged |
svpa1953 Posts: 5 |
posted 05-15-2007 02:43 PM
quote: That's what I was thinking, but I guess it's not quite so simple as if the item is sterling or plated. In this case the difference would be between a true aluminum silver alloy (say 3 Al to 1 Ag) versus another alloy sold under the aluminum silver term, such as Daniels & Arter version. I'll have to think about how one would differentiate between the two even with a density test. IP: Logged |
salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 05-15-2007 02:47 PM
Determining the difference is quite simple, due to the very low specific gravity of aluminum (2.7) compared with all the other metals generally used. Of course, if the aluminum content is low, then it could be a difficult call. IP: Logged |
svpa1953 Posts: 5 |
posted 05-15-2007 02:51 PM
quote: That's what I was thinking, that things would have only been made out of aluminum silver alloy for a very short period. If these two items I've got truly are made out of aluminum silver alloy, I'd expect them to be quite rare at this point in time. That's why I find this quite intriguing. I have some knowledge of metallurgy and the idea of alloying these two metals never occurred to me before I saw the spoon. I don't know that the items I have really have much value, it's more that they are a technical oddity in the history of metals. IP: Logged |
svpa1953 Posts: 5 |
posted 05-15-2007 03:15 PM
quote: Between an aluminum silver alloy and sterling silver would be easy, but it's between aluminum silver alloy and another alloy of unknown composition perhaps containing neither aluminum or silver. I'll have to look around as to the compositions of the other alloys sold under the aluminum silver name. I think I'll be able to find enough information to see if I can distinguish it from a true aluminum silver alloy. One of the things that adds to the confusion is the French term "tiers argent", which in some cases is an aluminum silver alloy, but not in other cases. I suspect Daniel & Arter took advantage of the ambiguity. Apparently the French were the experts in aluminum, so the translation of the term "tiers argent" probably carried some weight. IP: Logged |
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