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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-11-2009 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1922]

To my person. I am a student in Germany and I study the marks for old German silver (not nickel silver).

I have some spoons with the [H|G] mark. I think they are from saxony. Some other spoons have a mark for the fines [0,75] and a mark I think from the seller (A.B.) or [W.T.] or (F).
Could it be a mark of H.Grohmann?

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silberpunze

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Kimo

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You are making good progress. Your photos are clear. Could you please tell us a little more about your interest in finding out about these spoons. Are these part of your personal collection or are you doing research for selling them? Have you been collecting silver for a long time?

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2009 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much.

I need a little more time to adapt. Ive been collecting silver for several years. I usually buy it at flea markets for very little money in the form of spoons and other cutlery. Here it comes again and again that unknown stamp is illustrated here.

For about one year now I am working intensely with these stamps and had to find that certain stamps, even though they are not so rare, have not yet been assigned. This has meant that I had been trying for half a year, systematically collect all the stamps from Germany, which I can get.

I am not a dealer - I do not sell - I just want to bring as much as possible on the stamp on experience. The first thing I try is to collect all the old German city brands in their different variations, especially those that are not found in the literature.

From that H | G Brand, I have now over 15 parts and nobody has been able to give me an answer regarding the exact origin. It is relatively certain it must come from Saxony in Germany.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-13-2009 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Knowing which references books you have checked may help our members to focus on books you have not been able to check.

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2009 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not have many books about silver marks.

Rosenberg 3 and Jan Devis, and a summary of Seling. Even experts who I asked, unfortunately They could not answer me. The problem has been that the eastern countries such as Saxony and Thuringia in the silver little research has previously considered.

Particularly little information is available about the 19th Century. I still have a lot of questions I would ask in the next few days. One thing is a brand that has been assigned in the literature, most Altenburg, without it being so far been able to identify even one of the master brands. But more on that later.

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agphile

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I am afraid I cannot help you with the marks but I wish you well in your endeavours.

I don't know whether mentioning a completely different German mark will be of interest to you. I had a look at what I think must be your website and noticed that it did not include a mark for Hameln. If you look at the thread Hanover spoon in the Continental/International Forum you will find Blakstone's interesting explanation of a lion passant as indicating that a spoon sold by Bahlsen of Hanover was actually made in Hameln.

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2009 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
agphile, Thank you for pointing me to that post.I hope that I may use this image wink .

In fact, I have a picture of a Bahlsen piece with the city mark of Hanover.

Do you have a sharper image of the city mark of Hameln?

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2009 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course you may use the image. I'll dig the spoon out and try to take a better photo.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2009 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I hope this picture is good enough for your purposes. I have included a scale in mm to show the size and have also emailed it separately.

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2009 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks agphile
To use a scale is a great idea. I should also introduce.

I have placed it under HanoverHameln, because the typical urban mark of Hamelin (Rosenberg3 BD2 No. 2457), an H was.

[This message has been edited by silberpunze (edited 11-14-2009).]

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Hose_dk

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if you are interested I can send you the german marks I have.
You can then select those that you do not have. I dont have many but some Königsber danzig then you can select what you can use.

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2009 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Hose_dk,

It's nice to see you here in this forum. Although I have been a few pictures of Danzig and Königsberg, but many masters, I have not yet.

Also it is always interesting when you know the date of the annual letter.

I accept your kind offer with thanks.
Kind Regards

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silberpunze

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I'm not sure if there may be a connection.
Bohemian Tea Strainer & Google Books Research

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