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laurapeacock Posts: 5 |
posted 07-26-2004 01:06 PM
[01-1634] We recently inherited this coffret a bijoux
Is the first hallmark the french 1768-74 I forgot to mention that there are the images of Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI on the top with inscriptions around each. Thanks for any info on this piece as we Laura IP: Logged |
blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 07-27-2004 01:11 AM
Ah, once again we have the spurious pseudo-marks of those frustrating Hanau silversmiths. Your piece is late 19th century German, undoubtedly from the city of Hanau, whose silversmiths seemed to specialize in erzatz "antique" style French (and other) silver, complete with marks in imitation of 18th century Parisian marks. The likeliest culprit here is firm of Georg Roth. French-style swangs and portrait medallions are a rather distinctive feature of their output; moreover, I have seen the identical A, P and crowned fleur de lys on your item alongside Roth's genuine "crowned GR" mark on a few pieces. The affixed label appears to be a dealer's tag; whether his mis-identification of the piece as "ancien régime" French is duplicitous or merely mistaken can only be conjectured. He is not, however, alone. Hanau silversmiths' works were sold even at the time as genuine antiques by unscrupulous dealers, and their pseudo-marks until quite recently have confounded even the experts at museums and major auction houses. A fascinating précis of the subject by Dorthea Burstyn may be found in the Sep/Oct & Nov/Dec 1997 issues of "Silver" magazine, but the definitive work on the subject is Wolfgang Scheffler's "Goldschmiede Hessens" [Hessian Goldsmiths] (Berlin: de Gruyter, 1976) Hope this helps! IP: Logged |
laurapeacock Posts: 5 |
posted 07-27-2004 06:03 AM
Wow! thanks so much for the info. Very interesting indeed, although I am as you can imagine I'm disappointed. I now have some research to do thanks to the info you have provided. Laura IP: Logged |
Kayvee unregistered |
posted 07-27-2004 12:38 PM
I concur fully with Blakstone about the spurious marks on your trinket box. If they were French marks they would be found in a visible place on all pieces of the object, i.e. on the body of the box and on the lid. The marks would be deeply punched. As each mark is punched by a different individual for a specific reason, the marks would be of different sizes and you wouldn't expect them to be perfectly aligned as those on your box seem to be. Finally, one of the marks should be a discharge mark and should be considerably smaller than the others. For an object from Paris for the period 1783-1788 (charge mark crowned A) the discharge mark was a dog's head. Thus the marks on your object are not properly placed or properly executed and are inconsistent between themselves. IP: Logged |
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