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llevell

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llevell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have this heavy silver box with stamped markings that I would love to have any information for.

On the hinged lid of this box is a stamp of what appears to be a knight holding a shield. On the shield, is an image that looks like a plant with three roses or acorns.

Stamped on the bottom edge of the box is a crescent moon, a crown with a cross on it, the number 800, and a rearing horse.

If anyone could provide ANY information at all, either about the box itself, or where I could look to find the info, it would be greatly appreciated.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your piece is German post 1884, as indicated by the crescent moon followed by the crown. 800 indicates the purity of the silver in parts per thousand. The rearing horse may be the town symbol for Stuttgart (Is there a letter beneath it?), but it is hard to tell without a photo.

TM

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
German post-1884 is correct, but given this, the horse wouldn't be a town mark, as these were discontinued when the crown & moon mark was introduced in 1888. (The edict creating the crown & moon was issued in Germany in 1884, but the mark itself was not mandated until 1888.)

Much more likely is that it's a unicorn, not a horse: the trademark of the prolific firm of Gebrüder Kühn [Kühn Brothers] of Schwabisch-Gmünd. The unicorn mark was registered in 1888 and used at least until 1925, perhaps later.

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llevell

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llevell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the information. There is not a letter under the horse, that I can tell. Is this a cigar box or what?

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There won't be a letter. Blackstone is correct on the replacement of the town mark. My source indicated continuation of the horse until the "late 19th century," which is ambiguous. Obviously it was gone by 1888.

I can't say what the funciton of your piece is, but my understanding is the cigar boxes are usually made of special wood (humadors)to preserve their flavor. But I don't profess to be an expert on that subject.

TM

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 01-28-2005 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This kind of silverboxes were cigaretteboxes and stood in the livingroom or smokingroom of every better German home. In most cases they were presents and carry the initials or the familycrest of the owner or the donation text of the donator.

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