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IJP

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iconnumber posted 03-05-2005 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I mostly direct this posting to sazikov2000, whom I presume is Russian-speaking, as well as at least somewhat knowledgeable about Russian silver. But naturally, I welcome the comments or input of any member with knowledge of, or interest in, the matter.

Sometime ago, I came into possession of a pair of claret pitchers, post-1958, of .875 quality silver. They bear a mark of the hammer-and-sickle within a five-pointed star (post-1958 according to Tardy), to the right of which is "875" and to the left of which is "M" (an assay mark for Moscow, according to a smaller publication from the Gemological Institute of America). There is also a maker's mark in cyrillic, which to the best of my knowledge is the number 9, followed by M Yu Z. I have to assume the first character is a "9" as this looks like no Cyrillic character I recognize.

Since I do not know of any English-language publication which studies at length the silver marks of Russian makers, I just plugged the letters into a search engine and crossed my fingers. What came up is the website for a firm called Moskovskii Yuvelirnii Zavod (Moscow Jewelry Works). My skill with Russian is terrible, but I believe I was able to translate in the company history page that "using modern technology and equipment with traditional methods" permits the firm to create, among other things, "elegant pieces in gold and silver, luxurious objects in crystal..." Although no photographs were displayed of such pieces as these crystal and silver claret pitchers, that excerpt combined with the frequent mention of a mark of M Yu Z would seem corroborate the suspicion that Moscow Jewelry Works manufactured these pieces. Perhaps you might be able to verify that. And if so, what does the "9" mean?

In any event, even though I myself seldom deal much with silver from non-American makers, I would certainly like to have in my library the major books and publications cataloging at length the significant (or even lesser) silversmiths of various countries. If anyone knows, for example, if there exists a well-researched reference for Russian makers, as well any for other foreign makers, I'd definitely like to know about it. I might even consider acquiring such a book in the language of the country of origin, if no English-language translation is available. So, G-n Sazikov, if you know of a good book on the marks of Russian silversmiths, even in Russian, I'd love to hear about it.

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 03-05-2005 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good evening IJP -
thank you very much for your confidence!

The mark you mention is the maker´s mark of:

Moskovskij savod juvelirnych i metallitschjeskich isdelij

(as close as possible tranfered to Latin letters - nearly impossible!)
The translation: Moscow factory of jeweler and metall goods
This hallmark was edited by the government for this firm for the year 1960. The number 9 gives the exact date of manufacture = 1969

If you need the bible for Russian hallmarks and mastermarks see my offer in the "To sell" part of this forum.
Hope tht helps.
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IJP

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iconnumber posted 03-05-2005 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Sazikov, that was quick. Firstly I'd like to express my glee at discovering that I made the top twenty percent. Anyhow, Sazikov, is Moskovskij Savod Juvelirnych the same firm as the Moskovskij Juvelirnij Zavod mentioned above? ...Started in 1920 as a collective of numerous workmen's co-ops and merged in 1967... Manufacturing at the new plant in the Nagatino district from 1971 to present day... This is information from the Russian language website for that company, which I clumsily translated myself, so it may not be 100% accurate. But in any event we seem to be speaking of the same firm.

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iconnumber posted 03-05-2005 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Until the disintegration of the communistic Sovietunion the official name of the firm was as I wrote it. Maybe there are some differences between the American-Latin-Cyrillic and the German-Latin-Cyrillic pronounciation (I am German).
Now this firm want to exist on the post-communistic market and had to change in a more up to date brand, but it is exactly the same firm.
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iconnumber posted 03-05-2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I enclose an excerpt of the famous book of Russian hallmarks and silversmiths by M. M. Postnikova-Loseva, Edition 1995 (out of print)

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iconnumber posted 04-16-2005 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Sazikov realize (he must!) that his own name is that of a famous silversmith in Russia, who made the wedding silver of Konstantin Nikolaevich in 1848? The Newark Museum owns the wedding icon of Konstantin Nikolaevich, also from 1848, and also by Sazikov.

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IJP

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iconnumber posted 04-16-2005 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, Ulysses, as I understand it, S2K chose that handle precisely to pay homage to the Sazikov makers, though which exactly, I don't know. In the thread Beauty must suffer I asked him about this myself. Naturally, that's not his real name.

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iconnumber posted 04-17-2005 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ulysses - thank you for your hint. The reason why I chose SAZIKOV as my handle and not GRETA GABOR or SCHWARZENEGGER is the homage I want to pay to one of the greatest silverartists and Court jeweler in Imperial Russia, Ignatij Pawlowitsch Sazikov. I collect Russian Silver since many years and in my collection are many pieces of this silversmith.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 04-19-2005 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I confess I'd never heard of Sasikov until I saw the mark on the bottom of the Museum's icon (I read Russian somewhat). The Grand Duke's wedding silver was just up at auction recently, and it was refreshing to see some information NOT about Faberge.

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