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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 05-28-2013 06:16 PM
  
Hello from Australia, I have just recently fell in love with anything to do with Russian silver enamel items and want to learn as much as I can. This is the first time I have ever started collecting anything and am 38 years old. I started about 5 months ago and have purchased many items so far but am not even sure if most is authentic or not. I am willing to learn as much as I can because have finally found something that makes me happy  IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-28-2013 09:33 PM
Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums. Please post some photos so we might enjoy your new found passion. Don't worry about inexperience and mistakes ... its something we all go through. Perhaps you are off to a great start.... I am anxious to see your success. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-29-2013 10:13 AM
Welcome Ciscoman. Thanks for introducing yourself and I look forward to your participation here and to seeing some of your Russian enamelled silver. Learning about silver makes collecting all the more enjoyable by knowing its history. It is also the best way to avoid pitfalls such as fakes. When you do post photos of something to discuss, please be sure to make them clear and well lit, show the overall object and also include closeup photos of any markings. Also be sure to follow the instructions in the link in the yellow box at the top of each page on how to post photos in this forum, especially on making sure the size of the photos is within the limits. If you have questions or difficulties please just ask for help. Kimo IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 05-29-2013 02:36 PM
Thank you for the welcome. I am going to attempt to add 2 pictures of the items I have bought so far but since this is the first time I have done this I am not sure everything will work. I followed all instructions on cutting the photos to size and uploaded to photobucket so here goes... IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 05-29-2013 02:45 PM
I pressed the reply button down bottom and added my images but nothing happened at all after i pressed (submit reply). I don't even know if this will work either so will try again sorry. Oops this time my pictures showed sorry. I am currently 7 days in to a flu and am feeling absolutely terrible at the moment so will post some proper pictures and closeups if anyone would like when I'm feeling a bit more not sick Thank you both for your welcomes and I hope to get better fast so I can start to learn more and share what little knowledge I have also IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-29-2013 04:01 PM
That is already a nice collection and after just 5 months it is remarkable you have found so many things. We have some folks here who are experts on Russian silver and I am sure they will be inerested in your growing collection. I hope you feel better soon. Perhaps you might then pick out your favorite object and tell us what you already know, and ask any questions that someone here might be able to answer. Be sure to include closeups of any markings in addition to a couple of photos of the overall object using your macro function on your camera and good lighting. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-29-2013 05:05 PM
ditto to what Kimo said. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 05-29-2013 09:17 PM
Beautiful pieces! When you're feeling better, I hope you'll post some closer shots of some of them, so we can see details of the enameling. IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 05-30-2013 08:23 PM
This lot of spoons I am almost 100% sure are fake. The kokoshnik mark is from St. Petersburg but when checking the makers mark of BA, there wasn't any from St. Petersburg. They are all from Moscow, Kalouga and Kostroma. Plus the spoons just look to new. I got off an auction in the United States. It didn't give much info in the description but it was a lesson learned. The box they came in however has the Faberge symbol on the silk/velvet padding which I didn't see on the auction pictures. I will add some pictures now for you to see.
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 05-30-2013 09:00 PM
I searched every book I have and the online hallmarks and could not see this makers mark at all so could be yet another fake item. And this was from another auction in the US. I bought a bulk lot of 6 items. I will put the first picture of the lot I bought. The bottom left and right eggs are marked AK 84 and the small salt cellar is also. The top box (master salt?) is also AK 84. The miniature Kovsh has the kokoshnik mark for Moscow and the assayer's initials for Ivan Lebedkin but no makers marks. There was a tag with it saying who had made it but I lost it. I'm sure it said Saltykov, but now will probably never know. The makers mark picture is the bottom half of the egg and the next picture is from the top half.
I am so sorry. I kept editing the wrong message IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 06-01-2013 07:29 PM
Hi, This is a cigarette case which was one of my first purchases. This one I think is real but is hard to make out the makers mark. Every different angle I took the pictures on looked like a different letter. I'm sure the second letter is a C but just can't figure out the first. It's marked on the other side of the case also, but the first letter is even harder to see. I think when I used a cotton bud and water to try and clean it, it took the outer layer off and is too shiny to get a proper picture of. IP: Logged |
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silberpunze Posts: 101 |
posted 06-02-2013 01:33 AM
Please do not let yourself get discouraged if it turns out that there are some fakes get into the collection. It is rarely that you will pay no dues to expert. If I close the hallmark, I think a loupe in front of the lens of the camera and can then use the zoom function through the magnifying glass. IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 06-02-2013 01:53 AM
Thank you very much. I am very new to a camera and did not know I could do that. I had set on the close-up setting but could never get a great close shot so will try later tonight. Thank you again IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 06-03-2013 06:10 PM
I really like this spoon. Just because of the double headed eagle. The main color on it is one that I haven't seen before so makes me wonder. It's very hard to make out the assayers mark but from what I see and the picture of the female head, it is very similar to Ivan Lebedkin, Moscow. I added a picture of inside the spoon which has someones name so must have been a gift. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-04-2013 04:45 AM
The inscription on the spoon transliterates as "S. Peterburg", i.e St Petersburg in English. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-04-2013 09:28 AM
We have some members who stop by once in a while who are quite knowledgeable about Russian silver. I am hoping one of them sees this interesting post and your beautiful enameled silver and can tell you something about it. Perhaps the title of this thread has not attracted them yet as it does not mention it is about Russian silver? [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 06-04-2013).] I took your suggestion, the thread has been renamed to New member's Russian silver. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-04-2013 11:22 AM
I made separate threads/topics for each grouping"
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 06-05-2013 05:21 PM
Hello, Thank you very much for making seperate topics. Should I keep posting my other items in this topic or add to the other ones created? I have lots more spoons, eggs, boxes etc. to add. Kind regards, IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-06-2013 05:28 PM
Separate postings are likely the best. Also, please be patient as many members here only stop by infrequently. IP: Logged |
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ciscoman Posts: 21 |
posted 06-06-2013 06:56 PM
No worries at all thank you IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 06-06-2013 07:32 PM
Welcome ciscoman! Your pieces are lovely! I personally have no experience in Russian silver save for one covered sugar bowl. That said however I have a suggestion while you are awaiting other responses. I don't know if you have tried the google search for the forum at the top of the page. Just Put in Russian marks in the box and there are numerous responses which may be of help to you in the meantime. Good luck, and again welcome to the forum. Jersey IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-07-2013 10:05 PM
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