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MBJ Posts: 26 |
posted 10-23-2008 08:41 AM
  
[26-1739] I bought this nice little silver box with an hinged cover or vinaigrette with unidentified marks, but the seller described it as 19th century and probably from the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania). The box is 1,06 in high (27 mm) and the width is 0,98 in (25mm) and the alloy is 13/16 (1/16=1 ‘Lot’). After searching my available reference literature, silver forums and homepages I am more prone to that it was produced in Germany 1750--1850. In Sweden we have the same type of silver boxes apt to contain a sponge soaked in vinegar. I found out that Elberfeld, a municipal subdivision of the German city of Wuppertal; that was an independent town until 1929 has a similar weapon, a crowned lion with a grid or gridiron. My interest in collecting is quite academic; I like to find objects, where I have to do some research, but it can sometimes be hard especially in the field of European continental silver. Swedish silver is as you already know, like British, quite easy to identify. It would be great to hear some opinions on this box or get an advice how to go further in the research! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 10-23-2008 10:54 AM
Nice peace of silver and in good condition. Your thoughts go in a good direction, I've looked in the few books I have and when I look at the lion figure I hope it can be 18th century. In the book silber stempel aus aller welt (Jan Davis) I find same lion by shape (only without crown) Success with the solution and I hope more reactions will come. Enjoy researching that's one of the nice things which always tells a lot of the history behind a silver object. Regards IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 10-23-2008 11:41 AM
Short reaction, when I look at the patterns of this object they made in Holland in the 18th century is like the showned pattern from your side and the patterns which were made in the 19th century were more based on square patterns. I hope this helps to. Somewhere I've a good article which I've to read again and perhaps there will be information also about the countries you mentioned. Succes! IP: Logged |
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MBJ Posts: 26 |
posted 10-23-2008 11:59 AM
Thank you very much for your warm welcome and your fast reply! Yes, the marks looks German to me and I do not get the feeling that they are pseudo-marks from the silversmiths in Hanau. The box is not that spectacular and it looks worn in a natural way with no sharp edges and the craftmanship is very good in my humble opinion. /With regards JAKJ IP: Logged |
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MBJ Posts: 26 |
posted 10-23-2008 12:20 PM
Yes Silverhunter, Holland was actually the first country that I thought of when I saw the standing lion. The box was bought on the net and the seller came from Helsingborg a town in the south of Sweden very close to Denmark. The Danes have historically had close trade relations with the Dutch and the Frisian Islands. But I found a link about Frisian silver and found nothing.The engraving as well as the box,(but not with these marks),could as well have been done in Sweden for a wealthier peasant woman. /Warm regards JAKJ IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 10-23-2008 06:43 PM
I am afraid I cannot help with the marks but I just wanted to comment that I think it is a charming little box and say that to me it certainly looks 18th century rather than later. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 10-23-2008 09:07 PM
Great research MBJ! It is absolutely 18th century, and you even got the city right: the North Rhine-Westphalian city of Elberfeld. The letter “A” is the year letter for 1762. The maker’s mark is a conjoined “WR” for Wilhelm Rütterschwert, who is mentioned in Elberfeld records 1757-1763. Congratulations on the great box and excellent post! Ref: Carl-Wilhelm Clasen, Rheinische Silbermarken (Rheinbach-Merzbach: CMZ, 1986), p. 160-164, marks 616 & 621, maker #642. IP: Logged |
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MBJ Posts: 26 |
posted 10-24-2008 08:02 AM
Thanks for your kind words and correct sense, agphile! I am most thankful for your answer and the research you have done, Blakstone. It is often very hard without the reference literature to get any further. I hope that I in the near future can contribute with help concerning Swedish silver. /Best regards MBJ IP: Logged |
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