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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-06-2009 07:11 PM
  
[26-1832] I have just bought this little silver kris and want to show how delicate it is made. The length of the kris is only 6cm and it weights only 6 grams. I found it very beautiful craftsmanship and I hope somebody can tell me more about the little kris made on Bali(Indonesia). Perhaps somebody recognize the silver mark? or period it is made? Sharper pictures can be send over a week, when I've received the one. But I did my best with making some photo's of my screen. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 04-06-2009 08:51 PM
What a neat piece. Meant for administering the poisoness jag no doubt. Makes me think of the rings and broaches with tiny compartments for storing the poison brew or is it just a little perfume or such. With all the meaningless jibbering, I do truly like it though. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-07-2009 04:52 AM
Hello Bascall, So far as I know in Indonesian a original kris has magical meaning and is a heirloom what was given by father to sun for many generations. I would like to know more about this object, in the decoration is also used filigrain style? There is no 800 mark to find and perhaps the alloy is higher than the most standard used silver alloy with Djokja silver? I hope somebody recognize the mark? Bascall thank you for your reaction! IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 04-07-2009 08:10 PM
Sorry silverhunter, I really am no help, but nice find. Good luck with it. IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 04-07-2009 08:25 PM
To me there appears to be a mark of 900 or 935 for silver purity; I can't really read it very well in the picture though. Often this sort of handmade silver, with applied wire and bead decoration, was 900 or 935. The latter is softer and easier to work with than sterling. The style of work reminds me of some pieces I've seen from Jerusalem as well. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-08-2009 03:48 AM
Thank you Paul for your answer/reaction, I also can't read the figures/letters very well. Like you explained the higher the alloy of silver is the easier it is to decorate it.(But it is craftmanship). Good eyes and a lot of concentration is needed to make such broaches. You can recognize a little Yogya decoration in it. The same person also sold large Yogya silver dishes extremly beautiful made. I have only some dollars to spend, so no dishes. I have also bought a copper belt from Sumatra also nice decorated. So there are a lot of people selling artificial pieces at internet right now.(crisis?). It's nice to collect also pieces from over the border. Like you wrote you also have pieces some from Israel. Sometimes there is be find some pieces from to buy on internet in Holland. Also jads, but I will give the five and will thank you for your reaction. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-08-2009 07:36 AM
Paul, If you reed the letter and figures (which are standing up side down at the photo) I indentify a S 930 mark. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 04-08-2009 08:28 AM
As you've said, the design of the pin is an Indonesian kris, the twisted wire & granulation decoration are typical of Balinese and Yogya silver (believe filigree would be open, rather than applied to a base as this appears to be). Your mark, is to my eye, a poorly struck "900" rather than "930", and would also be typical of Yogya silver from the mid-20th century or later, while .800 is a more common fineness, .900 was also used quite often. Can't help with the maker, but many Indonesian surnames start with an "S". ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 04-08-2009 08:33 AM
The S could be a maker's mark, but my guess is that it more likely simply stands for silver and goes with the 900 mark. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-08-2009 05:56 PM
I'm glad there is one conclusion, it's silver with 900 alloy indication. The silvermasters/factories use normal two or three letters (or more?)and I also think the letter S stand for silver. There was info at internet that the silver alloy good be in Indonesian 700/800/900. Like is told by the Australian lady (Dragonflywink) most Dyokya is stamped with 800 (I agree). There are a lot of dyokya dishes sold at internet right now in Holland. The person from which I've bought this little kris sells a lot of beautiful Indonesian silver products. Until now I haven't seen the 700 silver mark stamp on Indonesian silver. I've received 3 little items ordered by internet. All low priced and personal satisfaction and enjoyment of the hobby. Collecting and research and of course information by you all, thanks a lot. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 04-08-2009 07:18 PM
Heh, not sure how I became Australian, would like to visit sometime, but quite happy here in Florida.  See no reason that the "S" would not indicate the maker, the mark is typical of Yogya silver and they often used/use a single letter maker's mark. Concerning the fineness, have seen various numbers, most often 800, 850, and 900, though much of recent production seems to be 925 (would guess for marketing purposes).~Cheryl
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-09-2009 08:11 AM
I'm confused and I was thinking about Adelapt I suppose, I think spring is in the air? sorry! Florida is also beautiful of course! There are two periods in my life I can be confused in spring and autumn.(and even the rest of the year?) Thanks a lot for shaking me awake. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 04-10-2009 06:17 PM
Today I've received the one so I could make a better photo of the mark, so here it is also with a cleaned kris.  IP: Logged |
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