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mdshd

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iconnumber posted 06-02-2009 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdshd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can someone tell me when (what year) the French stopped applying bigornes counter-strikes to their silver?

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2009 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I knew what a 'bigorne' was.

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2009 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is being referred to is the method of marking by French authorities whereby the object being marked was supported by an anvil which was itself intricately engraved. As the mark was struck, a counter-impression was created on the underside of the object against the anvil. This provided an additional safeguard against hallmark fakery.
The term "bigorne" literally means "horn" and refers to the shape of the projecting end of the anvil.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-03-2009 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
argentum1 & adelapt,


Please let the New Member first do what is in the Yellow Box at the start of this page before starting a dialog. Thanks.

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mdshd

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2009 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdshd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry...my name is sheldon and i collect silver antiques...i recently purchased a box with the minerve hallmeak and the bigorne on the underside. the seller had no idea of the age of the piece and i got to wondering when bigornes stopped being applied to french siver as a way of at least approximating how recently the item could have been made...so i repeat my question...does anyone know when french law stopped required the application of bigornes? thank you for your time.

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2009 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realize that newcomers can sometimes be taken aback by the formality of introductions here, but the moderators have worked very hard to create a flame-free, non-commercial site for passionate collectors. The big yellow box is part of maintaining that.

So thank you, Sheldon, for taking the time to tell us a little about yourself and your collecting interests. You’ll discover many helpful and knowledgeable people here.

To answer your question, Article 185 of Appendix III to the French General Tax Code – which mandated the insect-engraved bigornes in use since 1838 – was officially abrogated by Article 9 of Decree No. 84-623 on 16 July 1984.

The style of the box and the maker's mark can go a lot further in narrowing down that 146 years. How about a photo?

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