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 Cute little cup--where, when?
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-27-2018 11:21 AM
  
Sweet little cup, seller told me it tested as "coin silver." It's exactly 2 inches tall and 1 1/2 inches in diameter at the top (suggesting it was made somewhere where people measured things in inches). It's heavy for its size. No marks I can find, just wrigglework swags and a wrigglework monogram (?) on the bottom. One photo shows it with a pencil for scale. Any guesses as to country and period of origin? IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-27-2018 11:22 AM
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 02-27-2018 01:18 PM
That may be the best freehand wiggle work I've seen. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-27-2018 01:32 PM
Isn't it charmingly wiggled? Do you think Scandinavian or German, maybe? They liked wrigglework / wigglework. Or a US area with lots of immigrants from there? It's so little--for strong alcohol, maybe, like a shot glass? Or a toy? IP: Logged |
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 12-09-2018 01:49 PM
the s -- suggest son in swedish norweigian or danish- the look of item suggest 19th century IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-09-2018 03:24 PM
Thank you. I have seen the S underscore before and have always wondered. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 12-09-2018 05:15 PM
I missed this the first time. That is a great cup. I love the strap handle with the leaf attachment. The silversmith who did this had a wonderful sense of design. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 12-09-2018 09:36 PM
Thank you, Hose & ahwt. IP: Logged |
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 12-13-2018 03:59 PM
quote: but not skilled. The nside is work of an amateur. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 12-14-2018 05:32 AM
The inside is a bit of a mystery. I wonder if the extra silver soldering was done later by someone other than the original silversmith. The added silver does not seem to provide any function or purpose as the seams already appear to be intact. IP: Logged |
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 12-14-2018 03:54 PM
that i a likely explanation IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 01-10-2019 01:01 PM
I took an intro metalworking class at the Y one time, so I could understand better how silver items are made. I wasn't very good at it (but then, it was just one introductory class--maybe I would have gotten better if I'd kept at it). Anyway, the way soldering works is you carefully prepare the surfaces that need to be joined so that they fit together as perfectly as possible. Then you place snips of solder--metal with a lower melting point than the main metal--along the seam, and you heat it until the solder melts and flows into the seam, then hardens and joins it. People who are not so well practiced at this (like me!) often end up with lumps of solder showing along the seams, like in this cup. It's more likely to be a sign of a not-so-skillful smith than of someone adding solder later. I have noticed a few otherwise extremely well-made pieces of silver with extra solder showing on the underside. I think getting the solder to flow invisibly was not a priority for all silversmiths. IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-27-2019 10:13 AM
Just saw this Polly and I’d like to add that although you are right in all you say about amateur soldering this has the hallmarks (pun intended!) of provincial work. Meaning when and where this was made the Smith was working with very basic tools. The other consideration is how he/she was soldering. It’s likely that a charcoal forge with bellows was used. This means the paillons (little bits of solder) are placed with flux and then the cup is put on the hot coals, the bellows increase the heat until the solder flows. That is the theory but actually doing it - I can not imagine. The lack of control compared to what we use now... So, when I look at this cup I see what is a masterful job which was done very low tech. That includes the wriggle work. It is the easiest way to add decoration but this is done by someone who has done it a lot but is self taught (I don’t think anyone ever was taught wriggle work!). IP: Logged |
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