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suefromoz Posts: 58 |
posted 08-13-2003 12:33 AM
[01-1189 08-0055] Hello everyone. I have an interesting sterling silver napkin ring, which I think is marked for Sheffield 1881/82, made by Martin Hall. On the outside, amongst the decoration is what I think is the Hapsburg Eagle insignia. Any ideas?
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-13-2003 11:50 AM
Although the double eagle was used by the German Empire, it was also used by other families. This example is for the English MILLINGTON family, taken from A GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY by James Parker,first published in 1894
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-13-2003 07:25 PM
Perhaps I should add, your napkin ring is not by Martin Hall, but rather by the partnership of R. Martin and E. Hall. IP: Logged |
Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 08-13-2003 10:45 PM
You must have a more detailed source than most of us, Patrick. Wyler shows the mark along with an earlier form as being "Martin Hall & Co., Ltd.'. But I don't believe it makes any difference one way or another since we aren't talking about which craftsman made the piece, only about the exact legal handle of an ongoing business company at a specific point in time. If I'm wrong, don't hesitate to correct me. I'm here to learn! IP: Logged |
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-14-2003 01:25 AM
Arg(um)entum, You are quite right. Sorry if I was preaching to the converted but I just wanted to clarify that Martin Hall was not one man but two. Martin, Hall & Co was formed in 1866 with Richard Martin and Ebenezer Hall as joint managing-directors and Bernard Wake as chairman. This is Ebenezer Hall: quote: IP: Logged |
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-14-2003 02:03 AM
And while, i'm thinking about Martin and Hall etc, any thoughts on this, I quote: Description: Wonderful Late Victorian Sterling Boullion Spoon from Richard Martin who worked for Ebenezer and Sons in Sheffield England. Gold Washed bowl and gargoyle at the end. It is marked clearly with Richard Martin's symbol and also has a date mark which dates the spoon to 1895 or 1896, in the last two or three years of production. This could be used to fill out a very rare collection or could be collected for the value of the fine sterling and curiousity of the piece. It will not be easy to find such a cute gargoyle more than 100 years old sitting on your soup spoon. IP: Logged |
suefromoz Posts: 58 |
posted 08-14-2003 05:57 AM
Goodness! I had not realized that others used that sign. Heraldry is not an area I have ever looked around in.... My eagles are on a sort of platform though - their tail rests on a straight bar, with a kind of barley corn twist (or barbers pole) effect to it. Many thanks Patrick and Arg, IP: Logged |
suefromoz Posts: 58 |
posted 08-14-2003 06:06 AM
Oh ! I just looked at the hallmark on the spoon. Is that an EP I see lurking there??? An unusual addition to a Sterling item... hmmm. IP: Logged |
Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 08-14-2003 08:25 AM
Thanks for that great link to the Hall clan, Patrick. As for that spoon, I see that the dealer has changed the description to 'Electroplated' - did you smarten him up? IP: Logged |
Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 08-14-2003 12:22 PM
quote: So, how about a closeup of the gargoyle! The glimpse was too enticing... ;-D ------------------ IP: Logged |
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-14-2003 12:23 PM
Suefromoz, At the risk of upsetting the sensibilities of heralds, some of whom take life very seriously indeed, the "barber's pole" indicates this is a crest. Medieval knights had a shield with a distinctive design, but they often had a symbol etc. fixed on top of their helmet which is the crest. Often there was no relation between the two. Both the shield and the crest form the full coat of arms. A useful reference is
Great Britain and Ireland" by JAMES FAIRBAIRN published in 1859 but with reprints, facsimiles etc available. And, yes. Arg(um)entum), I did send a short e-mail to the seller of the silverplate spoon, and received a very quick response saying he had corrected his description. IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-14-2003 01:25 PM
The twisted device at the bottom of the figure, which indicates that the device is a crest, is called a torse. While I cannot quite make out the bottom of the illustration, it appears that there is nothing between the eagle and the torse. Oddly enough, although this "plain" double headed eagle is illustrated in Fairbairn's, there are no names associated with it. There are other versions -- one with flames rising from the torse (indicating the phoenix), another with objects grasped in the claws, etc. These others are associated with names, but not the "plain" one. I do not know if this is an omission, or a failure of the records to make an association. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 08-14-2003 01:36 PM
Believe the gargoyle is the Lincoln Cathedral Imp. The cathedral has a large sculptured "angel choir" and this little guy is supposedly there to tease the angels. He shows up on lot of souvenir pieces. IP: Logged |
suefromoz Posts: 58 |
posted 08-20-2003 07:09 AM
Many thanks once more for a greatly informative discussion. I will have to see if I can hunt down the actual crest - I do not have a copy of Fairbairn's but maybe the local library does. Smiles from VERY cold Melbourne! IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-20-2003 01:00 PM
Try AddALL which searches other book sites. There are 65 entries for this title today (many are repeats), several editions from $20 to a few hundred. Unless you are a book collector, buy one of the reprint editions. IP: Logged |
wessex96 Posts: 56 |
posted 10-22-2011 06:21 AM
This is a rather late comment on this thread(!) but interestingly I have a very similar souvenir bouillon spoon in sterling with a small cast Lincoln Imp on the handle.
The Lincoln Imp has one foot raised, resting it on the knee of the other leg.
However, this spoon is marked as made by Gorham, England in 1913. It is about 13.3 cm (5 and a quarter inches) long and weighs 33g.
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